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Offline ktm150rippa

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« on: May 05, 2013, 03:20:31 PM »
I'm not 100% positive what it says cause I don't speak French. But a poster on vital just leaked information that the displacement rule in the GP's were changed to 400 four stroke, 300 two stroke for the mx1 class effective in 2014. I'm digging for details right now.


 http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/The-displacement-rule-change-it-just-happened,1254492
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 06:26:02 PM »
O.o
Amazing game changer if true

http://www.motoverte.com/site/l-avenir-du-mx-selon-luongo-72273.html
You'll have to translate to English but it sounds like FIM is in the process of the switch already. TM stated they would have a new motor designed by next year if rules are put into place. I think they are taking a slap at the japs and trying to force them to develop smaller bikes, and I sort of agree. This would awesome for the sport.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 06:54:52 PM »
You can translate it on this site. http://translate.reference.com/translate
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 06:57:39 PM »
Chrome simply translated it for me  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 07:39:09 PM »
Wow this is big, big news.  Just discussing of dropping the stroker displacement to 400, but upping the smoker to 300 has to make several Japanese MFG's shaking in their MX boots.  This also helps other MFG's (TM, Gas Gas, Beta) to get their product in front of the masses.  Based on these discussions we're getting closer to equal footing.  Personally I don't see the stroker displacement being lowered, I can't see the MFG backing down on that one, but the upping of the smoker limit to 300cc...  now that's a big step in the right direction.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 08:54:32 PM »
I do, ktm already has the 350...
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 09:29:18 PM »
Not bad!

Might even get ourselves some OEM Japanese 300s out of this!
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 09:34:03 PM »
 :P
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 11:09:57 PM »
Massive news if this is true. Maybe Luongo isn't so crazy after all. That is the last time we will see Honda at the World GP's though.

And a World GP here in Aus next year as well. That would be awesome !!
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 11:12:49 PM »
4 STROKE IS DAH BESTEST!!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 11:15:05 PM »
if they were really trying to fix it , it would be equal cc . why cut the 450 down to 400 ?

as bad as the spanish supermoto series , before it was S1 and S2 now just open class up to 700cc for 4 stroke but you can only run a max of 300 2 stroke . they will never make it even
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 11:42:14 PM »
Friday night in Agueda, Giuseppe Luongo has invited some journalists to exchange views on his thoughts about future developments of the World Cross. Two distinct categories remain on the program: MXGP MX2 and MX1 will succeed ...
We do not hide you had our concerns about the survival of the MX2 class since the advent of the GP 'overseas' the Super Final extensively highlighted by some close to the boss Youthstream. And if it does not hide being excited about the fight at any level that animated the Super Finals Qatar and Thailand, he followed the general opinion now in the MX2 class as such.

Two different rounds
If MXGP MX2 and still compete on two legs, they will however be a time and a different impact since the points will not be awarded in the same way in both categories. Only the MXGP have the right to special treatment under the famous TV program one hour for chains 'widely'. The precise arrangements have not yet been arrested, but the goal is the winner of the second round is the winner of the race and climbed onto the top step of the podium, so that the uninformed public can understand what is happening . Some no doubt regret this new, but the key is that the MX2 is a separate category.

Two more years for 450
Worried when the fact that very few drivers are MX2 input competitive game MX1 boss Youthstream confirms that within two years will require that the displacement of aligned MXGP machine is lowered. "It is not for me to say if it should be 350, 380 or 400, but manufacturers must produce motorcycles less violent and easier conduisibles for many drivers. If the number of drivers present in MX1 decreases, is not the fact that we have removed the premiums, but the fact that very few drivers are capable of driving the motorcycle at a high level, "he says, taking for example the difficulty drivers from the MX2 to obtain good results from their accession in this category.

What reaction builders?
"In 2007 at the Motocross of Nations, many of the most important European and American paddocks managers came to see the FIM to ask that this capacity is lowered. They then did an about-face for the Japanese manufacturers do not want to hear about, but today the situation has changed. Manufacturers no longer reasoning according to the U.S. market, but the global market and emerging countries where the average displacement sell better than the big guns. A small plant like TM confirmed to me to be able to produce a new engine within a year, I do not see why a Japanese manufacturer could do. And do not tell me that the engine can be operated in mass to the quads and jet skiing for example, does a MotoGP engine is sold on a motorcycle trade? "He continued.

The return of two time
Another area that will be developed in the coming months, the equivalence of displacement between two and four times. FIM and Youthstream want to promote the return of both time and everything suggests that along with the maximum displacement of the four-stroke 400cm3 be around, the two time could be allowed up to 300 cm3 in the category MXGP. An experiment could have him on a European championship in 2014, removing the MX3 World has also been confirmed in this exchange which no representative of the FIM was not involved. It was during the meeting in the FIM mid-June in the presence of representatives of the manufacturers that should be fixed all the new rules in the World 2014.

Eighteen GP
Questioned further on the calendar in 2014, the boss is always talking Youthstream 18 GP, including Qatar, Thailand, Brazil and Mexico, an event that would be organized by the promoter of the World Rally Championship. Discussions are well advanced with Australia and continue with Japan. The world could begin with a tour Qatar / Thailand / Japan or Australia, a break of two weeks before moving on the South American tour, then return to Europe later in the season to take advantage of better weather conditions. Stay tuned on motoverte.com, of course!
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2013, 05:16:23 AM »
You would get some awesome engines out of that the 400cc 4t engine would scream their tits off and the extra 50cc is what a 250 needs.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 08:33:35 AM »
Still doesn't fix the problem of the MX2 bikes being more expensive to run then the MX1 class.

Bring back the 125's and have an open class. And I mean OPEN.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2013, 08:48:40 AM »
This is a completely retarded idea and they waste of space that thought it up needs to find another job. All this is going to do, is make the open class more expensive. Need an example? All the KTM 350SXF is is a high revving 450. apart from the 2 pound difference. Makes MORE horsepower than the CRF450R just at a higher RPM. It can run with the big 450s, at a higher RPM. Thats all this is going to do. Although the extra 300ccs for the two stroke is a start... But it needs to be equal.

I'll bet my left nut that if this gets passed, and all the japs start pumping out 400cc four stonks, not one of them will loose any major peak horsepower.
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