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« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2013, 09:10:45 PM »
Jeram, why machine out of solid alloy? What's wrong with sand cast heat treated CC601? We have a three cylinder case reed engine here ( for aviation ) but could be made into a bike engine or even doubled up as a V six!!! Imagine that.
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2013, 02:24:28 AM »
Nothings wring with either, its just that this guy has cases available to the market that are proven to handle 400hp.

If I could get my hands on a 3L V6 two stroke engine Id add methanol and nitrous and probably build a top fuel bike

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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2013, 03:27:20 AM »
Isn't a 3L V6 enough :D
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2013, 05:46:41 AM »
If your going to go crazy, you'd might aswell be proper mental.. no half arsed attempt at it.

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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2013, 10:30:38 AM »
what about using  Dassa crank and cylinders , here  is a 1200 cc billet engine




Here's a start :

http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/products/qmca2a6

It's always a bit scary when you se P.O.A.

But, there's plenty of high end gearboxes and clutches, made by quite a few companies, for non unit construction engine / gearbox usage. Chain / belt primary drive, take your pick.

The only limitation, is your imagination, and depth of your wallet.
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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2013, 01:23:05 PM »
what about using  Dassa crank and cylinders , here  is a 1200 cc billet engine




Here's a start :

http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/products/qmca2a6

It's always a bit scary when you se P.O.A.

But, there's plenty of high end gearboxes and clutches, made by quite a few companies, for non unit construction engine / gearbox usage. Chain / belt primary drive, take your pick.

The only limitation, is your imagination, and depth of your wallet.

Theres not much difference between these and aftermarket gearboxes.
You can get billet/forged harley 6 speed transmissions for under $1500 that arnt made in china.
are made for 128"+ 140hp motors.

The big issue, is packaging and the fact that once you pay for the 1500 dollar gearbox, get all the custom linkages, pulleys and cogs made to fit it all professionally crammed it into a chassis, for the same cost you could have done the following

- taken a late model sport bike transmission,
-made a mold of it and simply lopped off the front part (cylinders)
-and added the mold of a snowmobile case to the front (over simplified the process yes I know)
-then you same much time and money with engine mounting as you can now mount your big bore sled engine directly into the chassis which the engine came from.

I suppose its the same problem but two very different solutions, both costing the same but the deciding factor being where your skill sets lie. (or the skill sets of people you know!)




You actually almost gave me a brilliant idea with your post though,
I thought that a buell would be an amazing donor bike as the Harleys had external gearboxes! but sadly the buell motor has an intergral transmission which is a pitty.

Would have been amazing to mount a sled motor into the XB firebolt chassis.
Imagine how light and nimble it would have been.

Got any ideas for suitable donor bikes which already have external gearboxes?
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« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2013, 04:19:41 AM »
If I could get my hands on a 3L V6 two stroke engine Id add methanol and nitrous and probably build a top fuel bike

Plenty of 3L V6 outboard engines around. ;)
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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2013, 04:24:00 AM »
 ;D Evinrude 250hp :<img src=" title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">
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« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2013, 05:55:39 AM »
;D Evinrude 250hp :<img src=" title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">

Na, too small.
Johnson 4L V8. 300Hp. ;D
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« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2013, 07:31:02 AM »
 ;D
I heard those motors were a bit on the heavy side? Any details? I know with a prop the v6 weighs like 400-500lbs but the motor alone is about 200-300. A few drag builds I've seen with the v6 were pushing 400+hp easy.
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« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2013, 09:06:59 AM »
Pretty rare engine.
I have only worked on 1. Wish I took a video of it running in my test tank. Doh. :-[
They were 2 x 2L looper engines cast together. I think they had a few issues with the crank being so long.
The sound of a V8 2 stroke running on a test prop at 5k rpm is something every petrol head needs to hear.
I think they weighed about 260kg. Still less then a similar 4 stroke which are over 300kg.
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« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2013, 09:21:49 AM »
Here you go.



374 HP.
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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2013, 09:44:18 AM »
I love the sound, Check out this v6

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« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2013, 11:23:32 AM »
;D
I heard those motors were a bit on the heavy side? Any details? I know with a prop the v6 weighs like 400-500lbs but the motor alone is about 200-300. A few drag builds I've seen with the v6 were pushing 400+hp easy.

show me these drag builds

All I can find is a 90% finished one on dragbike.com that I've been following for years but never really got finished.

would love to see one running.
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2013, 11:26:10 AM »
700 twin (sled) in a dragbike

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