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Offline Micahdogg

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 08:18:08 AM »
This is just oversaturation + a depressed economy.  The fact that yamaha could make a few bucks by dumping a lot of YZ250's into the market is purely circumstancial and based upon the fact that it is hard to find any new two strokes, 2009, 2010, or 2011.

What is important is that the 2 stroke is still selling.  They aren't competitive in Pro AMA, 3 of the big 4 dumped their line, the one remaining japanese manufacturer hasn't offered any meaningful updates and has in fact been RAISING the MSRP on a dated design, yet they are still selling.  I think that is a huge statement.  And KTM just showed us that if you redesign your 2 stroke line, they will virtually sell out once they hit the market.  Those are the important factors because as much as you would like to ignore it, any business worth their salt has to come to terms with the fact that there is still a market (i.e. profit to be made).
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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 08:59:33 AM »
Mid summer you could buy a Brand New 2010 YZ450F for 6,200.  There was a dealer at lorettas selling them.  I am getting ready to trade my 2010 in on a 2011 and am only going to get $4,100, I also have a 02 CR that is listed in the classifieds, the dealership is willing to give me 1k on that.  I am hoping to get 2k for it and I have about 6 tied up in it.  Say what you want but the MX market is hurting, bikes are just not worth much no matter the brand or strokes.  I saw another guy on her let his RM with tons of work go for 1,700.  And don't get me started on KTM they want 1-2k more per bike than any of the other brands.

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 09:44:35 AM »
Here is the thing, people want value.  About the same time CR and KX were giving up on their bikes and disconinuing them, YZ and KTM were getting updates and continue to still be made.  I think people assign a value to this.  Fact of the matter is, if you have $2000 to scrape up, you don't need to settle on a 9 year old Honda.  I realize you really have a $6000 Honda, but now you are speaking to the guys who potentially have well over $2000 to spend on a bike.  I'm willing to guess that the economy has temporarily taken them from the market.  You need to find a fan of the CR for them to realize the value of your bike.

The RM is different.  It had a nice long run from 2001-2008.  Tons of parts are still available and many of them cross the full year range.  So while it was discontinued 2 years ago, I think people still see it in a favorable light.  But it is also commonly known that the 2003+ bikes were more desirable.  So I think the only way you can really sell the 01 and 02's is if they come with such a slew of mods that it makes it worth it.  I sold my 2001 RM250 for just $1500 and it had a ton invested ($850 just in the clutch).

P.S.  Your '10 is only worth $4100 because you can get brand new '09's OTD for $4300 right now.  Remember when Ford started offering employee discounts on new F150's?  IT caused the previous couple year trucks to absolutely PLUMMET in value overnight.  This is a similar effect.

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 10:54:18 AM »
Perhaps i told some people here before but i live in Russia most of the year. living in Russia i was thinking about new models and updates. Here Russians are very sensitive to new models and latest stuff because they used to live in communistic system. But me as a West European (socialist) was thinking , what is wrong with the older models?

It is all marketing and propaganda to sell and to sell. Because motox  it is about making fun and who cares really about latest updates or 2011 model. Most of us by now should know that we will not go any faster on the latest model. It is just that marketing tells you that latest is much much better.

We know that we will never be worldchampion or whatever so who actually needs the latest model? Or the high tech stuff.

What we need is a nice motox motor which is easy to repair and cheap to maintain. A 2 stroke. Now again lots of people think that they have to have a 4 stroke to be competitive. Why? Because marketing told them. Laptimes tell a completely other thing. 250 f and 450 f have the same laptimes. So you will NOT be faster on a 450 then on a 250.

Now we want an updated 2 stroke. Why? I told you. It is the economy! They tell you what to do. Only it stops when noone want to have the latest 4 strokes and are even buying secondhand 2 strokes of 5 year old and so on. Here the economy stops the capitalistic system fails because we do not do anymore what THEY told us to do or to buy.

Same with credit crisis: the system works when we still try to pay our debts but it does not work anymore when we say,: here are the keys of my house figure it out yourself.

So let them figure it out by themselves with their 4 strokes.

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 02:20:05 PM »
I always was a little confused as to why anyone would buy a 2010 YZ250, when they could buy the exact same bike for considerably less by getting an '07 or '08.  Maybe it's the peace of mind of knowing you've got something new from the crate and therefore the parts are all in good condition?


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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 02:42:03 PM »
I always was a little confused as to why anyone would buy a 2010 YZ250, when they could buy the exact same bike for considerably less by getting an '07 or '08.  Maybe it's the peace of mind of knowing you've got something new from the crate and therefore the parts are all in good condition?
Well I'd guess resale would stay higher though per year as well.  I'd like to find a 2007 CR250, but those are like finding diamonds.  Obviously no dealers have them, and anyone who has them is asking like $4,000 for them around here unless they are all used up.  But the latest year always brings more, even if it is the same.  So in 2015, the 2010 model YZ will still be worth more than the 05. 
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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 02:56:23 PM »
It's the placebo effect, same reason I mentioned in another thread.  All original goooood, rebuilt with new parts baaad, newer year goooood.  Logic doesn't ever enter the minds b/c there are a lot of cases where an older bike is just as good if not better than a newer bike.  Even though these are the same bike, newer year gooood.
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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2010, 04:16:26 PM »
I have yet to see the price range difference from a 04-96 bikes on craigslist. They don't do any research, they simply price it for what they think it worth. This goes back to the whole lottery sale and the fact people are broke. Your not going to find deals until people truly have nothing left.


I ride an 03 yz250, wait 04, wait 05, what ever, they're all the same #$@% YOU!

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2010, 05:05:17 PM »
It's the placebo effect, same reason I mentioned in another thread.  All original goooood, rebuilt with new parts baaad, newer year goooood.  Logic doesn't ever enter the minds b/c there are a lot of cases where an older bike is just as good if not better than a newer bike.  Even though these are the same bike, newer year gooood.

I bought mine because I wanted a new bike, I don't think there is anything wrong with a 2007-08, I just wanted a new one.

If I was looking for a wise investment, I probably would not buy a motorcycle at all.

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2010, 06:29:40 PM »
It sounds to me like the Brian Regan joke about refrigerators.

"This one keeps all your food cold for $600.  This one keeps all your food cold for $800.  Check this bad boy out, $1400, keeps all your food cold."


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2010, 10:49:52 PM »
It comes down to money as to why some people prefer a newer bike.  Lets face it, if all bikes cost the same, which one would you choose, a brand new 2010 or 2011 YZ or a really nice used 2005?  I bet 9 outta 10 people would grab the brand new one.  And for a good reason, you have ZERO wear on any components.  You get a nice warm fuzzy feeling that you can throw a leg over the bike and just ride it for several outtings before even having to check on some components.

The reason why not everyone has a brand new bikes is because we can't all afford to drop $6K or $7K or more on a bike that when you get mud on it looks about the same as a clean $2K bike.  I've been riding since 1988 and never been able to justify the price of a new bike.  I always advocated for the "value" in about a 3 year old bike.  But now that I'm 32 and making more money, suddenly I can "afford" a new bike.  The big reason I dropped the coin on one is because I wanted to have that experience of a brand new, worry free machine that I didn't have to wonder who wrenched on it, or why the airbox lid is missing, etc... 

It just depends on where you are in life.  Another important factor is our health.  I know the older I've gotten, the more a good day of riding takes out of me.  I wrench my back a lot more often and have to wonder if I'll even WANT to ride a full on MX bike in another 6 years even.  When I was 18 I had all the time in the world.
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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2010, 11:08:39 PM »
Brand new I can understand, its when both bikes are used I sometimes can't understand.
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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2010, 12:03:25 AM »
And if the price difference between an '07 and a '10 was, like, a grand then I could definitely see it.  But in the real world you're paying double for the bike so you can delay going onto the "maintenance schedule" for a year or something (judging by the way people burn through parts).  It seems to me that it would just make a lot of sense to grab a slightly worn bike, go on a brief replacing spree until you get the warm fuzzies going, then pocket the savings so that you can then mod your bike just how you want it to make it better than the stock new one could ever be.

Honest opinion, I think buying a brand new example of a model that hasn't been updated in a few years, is just a waste.  I've used this example before, but take the 2010 Charger, which is near-as-makes-no-difference identical to a 2006.  I can't imagine why anyone would buy the 2010, in the year 2010.  It's the same car as the '06 or the '07, but the difference in cost (and I looked this up) is $15,000 vs $32,000.  I can see the new one being more, and it should be, because you're not going to have to replace major components for a longer time, but I can't see any amount of "warm fuzzy factor" being worth $17,000 in that segment.  If you really want warm fuzzies, buy a pair of '06s and then you'll really be set for life, and still for less than the "new" one.

I guess the point of this rant is, thanks to depreciation, I personally think that unless you're going vintage, living three model-years in the past will allow you to live 99% as well as the guy who has to have everything new, but do it on 50% the budget.  Or to look at it another way, spend just as much as the other guy does, and live twice as well.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2010, 01:21:21 AM »
What about next year when American showrooms are flooded with thousands of new maicos.
Will buyers be fools for paying 10k for a 125?
Will you be a fool and buy one?
Will I be a fool for not buying one?

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Re: $5,999 New '10 YZ450F Haha
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2010, 02:48:17 AM »
in my country there is a cuote

"i'm to pour to buy cheaper things"

i have 2 bikes 1 klx450r 2009 new from the box (o parts bought in 2 years)

and 1 kx 250 2003 wich i race sometimes (i spent hell of a lot to chang parts)if i sold it and add the money wich i spend on parts,i probably bought an 2007 model and didn't waste time on wainting for parts,repair'it

let's say that that's no problem

but try seling a bike from 2003 or  an 2007 wich cost you the same money,and see how much you get for them :)