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Inquiring / curious minds want to how you're holding up through the ups and downs of the race season.  I read about your truck issues, (ouch), not to mention all the little PIA issues that seen to pop up...  Just curious to see how you're holding up... 

With constant travel, testing, planning etc , I'm sure you're exhausted. I bet you'd like to hold up somewhere and sleep for 24 hours just to give your brain a break from the stress and thoughts about the team...    You're doing a great job.  It's tough, it's hard, and when you have a CC disadvantage, it's just makes success that much sweeter.

Keep up the awesome work, we're behind you.
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Charles how are you holding up through this stage of the season???
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2013, 05:44:30 PM »
Charles and all the TSM team are my heros!
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 05:47:00 PM »
Thanks Eric for this spot on message to Mr. TSM! Very nice. I concur completely.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 06:52:25 PM »
Hey guys, the last few weeks have been rough and VERY expensive. But all of the issues are resolved and we are finishing strong and preparing for 2014.
Yes a vacation is much needed right now. We are getting the bikes where they need to be, heading to Canada this weekend to support Lorenz up there for 3 rounds. LaPorte will be running Millville for us, then we will all be back together for Unadilla(Robby included).

I am glad we ran the rounds this year to work out the kinks and get our feet wet before we take on a full season next year. We're making this happen, no matter what comes at us.
Right before RedBud we bought a dually, it broke down numerous times on the way there and the way back. After a $1k tow and a $5k repair bill it will be ready in the next day or two.

We also placed an order with KTM for $5k to get the motors all back to stock for PC to make it happen. New cranks, cylinders, heads, carbs, etc. And that price was all at cost. :/

Our motors are about to head out west to get some Pro Circuit massaging.

For those that have asked the cost of running a pro team.. We are well over $100k just for the half season so far.
Tough times, but it makes me want it that much more. Things are looking great for '14!
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2013, 08:54:44 PM »
i value your efforts charles and thanks for making the last southwick national a memorable one.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2013, 10:49:43 PM »
Hey guys, the last few weeks have been rough and VERY expensive. But all of the issues are resolved and we are finishing strong and preparing for 2014.
Yes a vacation is much needed right now. We are getting the bikes where they need to be, heading to Canada this weekend to support Lorenz up there for 3 rounds. LaPorte will be running Millville for us, then we will all be back together for Unadilla(Robby included).

I am glad we ran the rounds this year to work out the kinks and get our feet wet before we take on a full season next year. We're making this happen, no matter what comes at us.
Right before RedBud we bought a dually, it broke down numerous times on the way there and the way back. After a $1k tow and a $5k repair bill it will be ready in the next day or two.

We also placed an order with KTM for $5k to get the motors all back to stock for PC to make it happen. New cranks, cylinders, heads, carbs, etc. And that price was all at cost. :/

Our motors are about to head out west to get some Pro Circuit massaging.

For those that have asked the cost of running a pro team.. We are well over $100k just for the half season so far.
Tough times, but it makes me want it that much more. Things are looking great for '14!

First off: What everyone else says, you're a hero.

Secondly: Holy crap @ 100k for a half season? And thats a privateers bill for a two stroke. Any guess for a high end, non factory 250F team bill?  :- :- :-

Thirdly: Us 250sx owners would appreciate knowing the areas you attacked. When you get a second or too, no rush cos I don't have enough money anyway  ><img src=" title="Angry" class="smiley">
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 04:26:36 PM »
I want to add in that I am in full support of the TSM effort as well. 

I have given a bit of $$ here and there and bought the Spazztic team shirts, but kinda wondering if there is another way to help support the team...    in other words, what can the TSM community to to help the team? 

100K for a half season is an awful lot of scratch.  Is there a business plan to eventually make $$ or be paid back from this effort?  Just wondering how that actually works....    I can't imagine Charles can afford to hemmorage $$ like this on a continual basis, so I'm a little curious how the team is going to survive going forward. 

Best of luck in Canada, at Millville and looking forward to seeing the team back in force at Unadilla! 
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 06:24:15 PM »
Thanks guys! There is no real way to make money in racing. Our goal is to show the 250's can be competitive against the 450's and create content to draw traffic to the site (Which pays the bills).
We are currently set to run all 12 Outdoor rounds next year, as well as select SX events.
About 50% of the cost this year was associated with transport (Trucks/Haulers). As our assets grow costs will go down.
We started mid season so most of the sponsors budgets had already been allocated, the majority will be back on for next year as well as several new ones. That will be a huge help with expenses.

After the 2 Stroke Shootout in September we are selling the hauler and getting a 45' toter

Something like this one, with a TSM wrap of course

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 06:58:38 PM »
I was wondering if a lot of the $$$ was due to the truck / hauler and the issues you've had with the truck.  I hope the exposure TSM is generating through its racing effort drives so much traffic to the TSM website that you need to upgrade to a new bank of servers to handle all the activity... ;D

Now that sponsors have seen 1st hand the response the team receives at the races, lets hope the existing plus new sponsors will be on board for 2014.  Charles I'd like to think it should be easier to get new and keep existing sponsors now that they seen the team in action and the positive reaction to the team.  Let's hope they beat down your door with offers, or at the very least will now return phone calls and / or emails when you contact them about 2014.   :D

Remember we are all behind you...
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 11:54:32 PM »
Charles, what you are doing is far beyond words. All I can do is bow down and say thank you!!

I see many members desire to get more information about what it actually takes to race at the national level. The costs of racing are enormous and strangely a 100K investment (in racing anyway) is a low budget effort!!

I'd like to be a bit forward and ask you some questions, which I hope will be interesting to the readers and hopefully not take up too much of your time. Because I'm sure that all of us would prefer you spend your precious time on the race effort first.

Here go the questions. Some of them might seem dumb on the surface, hopefully your answers will make them seem a bit more "intelligent".

1 - What does sign up cost for each racer? Pit Crew? Family?

2 - How is parking assigned for different teams (such as TSM)? (Obviously a spot on the far back side of the pits would be challenging to putting your effort in front of the public)

3 - What exactly does a racer need to do to actually qualify for the National itself?

4 - How do they divide the different qualifying sessions? (ex. Do they mix top level pros with TSM racers?)

5 - What are the track conditions like when the racers go out to qualify?

6 - How many racers are in each qualifying session?

7 - How are the racers let out onto the track for qualifying? How do they decide who gets out onto the track first?

8 - How long (in laps) are the qualifying sessions?

9 - When at the track, how do you find out your qualifying lap times?

10 - When you find out what your times were and discover that you didn't qualify, what is the procedure for getting ready for the LCQ?

I don't want to make this too long, like I said before focus on the racing first. But when you get some time would you mind answering these questions?

Thank you!
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 01:54:21 AM »
As the old saying goes,"If you want to make a million dollars racing,start with two million."
Good on you Charles for all your efforts. 8) Good to hear from you also John-what have you been up to?
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 04:42:44 PM »
Good questions John! I happen to be waiting on parts so I have some time. :)

Sign up is $220 per rider, per event. Plus $50 per mechanic and guest.

Unless you're there for press day, they park 'rigs' at 9am(ish) and privateers at 9:30ish Friday mornings. We try to get to privateer staging early (Thursday Night)to get parked first(for the best spot available after the rigs)

To qualify, they simply need to haul ass for a solid lap. All the riders I have talked to hate the current qualifying format. Unless you have points, you practice in the 'B' group which goes out first on the horrible over watered track. The problem is, most guys hit a solid lap and roll (get in the way of other riders trying to hit a hot one).

Typically 40  per session, but usually they will overload the B practice with the left over entries. (like it needs to be harder on these guys)

They stagger start them for practice, for the best shot they try to get to practice staging 15 mins or so early to try and avoid the clusterF.

They do 2 practice sessions, 15 mins each. The first 5 mins of the first practice is not timed, the final 10 are. All 15 mins of practice 2 is timed.

We find out timing from the screens or live timing from the computer in our hauler.

LCQ prep is intense, each rider has their own method for getting mentally prepped. These are the races they should show on TV.. Brutal

There is about an hour between practices and about 1:30 between 2nd practice and LCQ. Its not bad prepping one bike, but 2 or 3 in the allotted time is a challenge.

It has been the biggest emotional roller coaster, but I wouldn't change a thing. Great learning experiences, and we have made some great industry contacts.

One thing I thought was interesting.. Everyone always says the AMA would hate this effort and make it difficult.. Not at all. They love what we are doing. The AMA techs actually think its BS we can't run 300's. They all support what we're doing. MX Sports on the other hand.. not so much. :)

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 04:55:08 PM »
Charles, thanks for the info.  That gives me a much better picture of what your weekend is like. 

So, when you are successful at generating points for a rider, that rider will be able to practice/qualify with that 'A' group.  (also means that Marshal will qualify with the 'A' group for Unadilla since I know he got points at Southwick)  Very cool.

I think the post above is a nice preview of the upcoming "behind the scenes" article we've been promised.   
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 05:37:53 PM »
Yes, Robby does qualify in the A group as he did at Muddy Creek.

And yes the real inside the outdoors article is shaping up to be very informative. :)

Thanks guys!
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 06:10:18 PM »
Something else I can add that is a big part of the budget.
Fuel, race fuel for the bikes (several hundred for the weekend) truck, generator, etc. also several hundred per weekend.
Tires.. We get them from Dunlop for $60 each (mounted at the track) even with that discount, it adds up quick when you have triplets.
I would say the average weekend costs us $3-5k depending on location and number of rider entries/mechanics/guests.

The RedBud trip was insane. We bought the dually strictly to run RedBud and Unadilla then we were going to sell it.
RedBud total cost:
Truck: $12k
It broke down on the way there, temp fix to get it there $300.
It died again at the entry gate :/ Friday morning we had it taken to a local dealer there to get a fuel leak fixed. $250
On the way home it lost the head gaskets $5k repair $1k tow.
Fuel, tires, clutches, entry fees, passes, misc $2k

We also had to have my girl drive the other F350 from VA to Ohio so we could haul the trailer back.

As soon as we got home we contacted KTM and ordered the $5k in engine parts to get the bikes right.
We are doing a fresh look for Unadilla. All white with orange chrome graphics. They will be sweet. :)

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