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Offline SachsGS

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« on: December 31, 2012, 02:13:57 AM »
What is this?               
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 03:21:32 AM »
CZ knock off? Who can really tell with russian vehicles..
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 05:47:35 AM »
it looks new whatever it is.

not the un-restored pristine new old bike. but a new out of the factory new bike

it looks pretty dang good to me, i think there would be a market for air cooled lower travel suspension 2 stroke bikes. sell them around 3k new...hmmmmmmm
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 06:36:31 PM »
I bet if someone reproduced the technological equivalent of a 86 kdx200 at $4500 they'd sell all day.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 04:32:50 PM »
X2. I just don't understand why Kawasaki discontinued the KDX 200 because they haven't replaced it with a similar 4T, they just abandoned that segment of the market. I couldn't think of a better bike then the KDX 200 as an entry level motorcycle, tough, cheap to maintain and repair and fun to ride. From a business perspective I've watched local shops try to sell Chinese product and it seems what little money they make selling them is wiped out (and then some) by warranty repairs.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2013, 06:20:31 PM »
I don't get why they didn't replace it either.  The big four gave the XC market away.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 09:21:38 PM »
I don't think people were buying KDX's at the end. Although they are fun, it was a dated bike with a price similar to a modern one.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 01:15:52 AM »
Quote from: beaner on January 02, 2013, 05:21:38 AM
I don't think people were buying KDX's at the end. Although they are fun, it was a dated bike with a price similar to a modern one.

in reality the kdx prices should've been around the 4k mark, not the 6-7k mark that they were at, which was basically the same as the mx bikes....BUT it was for a 10+ year dated bike lol
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 01:17:41 AM »
Not even that, the tech that went into the H series KDX is pushing 30 years old.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 11:58:29 AM »
The problem with the KDX was 2 fold:

First, it was nowhere competitive with the KTM 200. Completely different bikes in the same market. To update the KDX to the levels of the KTM took all the profit out of it and priced it too high for the casual rider (who the bike was originally built for).

Second, the market was shrinking anyway. The 200 off-road class was quickly being dominated by big bore 125's. The modern suspension upgrades and more powerful motors we competitive with the KDX even before adding the 139/144 kits. With that little bit of lower and mid range boost, the KDX was nowhere in the field.

As sales slumped, there was not no reason to continue.

Finally, in keeping with the "left over parts" theme, there were less and less of those since 2-stroke improvements dwindled with the advance of the 4-stroke market.

Sad really because before the KTM200, it was a great idea (cheap bike built out of left over parts for the woods segment) that really promoted enduro type events.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 12:41:05 PM »
Quote from: twosmoke595 on December 31, 2012, 01:47:35 PM
it looks new whatever it is.

not the un-restored pristine new old bike. but a new out of the factory new bike

it looks pretty dang good to me, i think there would be a market for air cooled lower travel suspension 2 stroke bikes. sell them around 3k new...hmmmmmmm

cz tried it. with what looks like the same bike.

http://www.pulpmx.com/stories/look-back-old-moto-mags/gps-classic-steel/gps-classic-steel


although i really think something like a kdx 200 needs to reappear or even a xr 250 or xr 400
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2013, 04:33:02 PM »
I did some more research into this Russian motorcycle and it turns out the parent company was a large industrial conglomerate called IZh who were famous for, among other things, the Kalishnikov gun. IZh declared bankruptcy in 2012.

 I was thinking more about the KDX and I don't have a single friend who still rides a Kawasaki, not one.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 10:18:33 PM »
Quote from: rmpilot on January 02, 2013, 08:41:05 PM


cz tried it. with what looks like the same bike.


I remember that test. Super hunky bought the bike after the test because he liked it so much.

It would be cool to see spec class racing like you see with cars. Everybody on the same cheap bike with little or no mods. A bike like that would be perfect. Too bad nobody would be interested.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 12:54:22 AM »
X2. I've often thought of a 100cc full sized XC class, something to bring the fun back.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2013, 04:34:59 AM »
People don't want to have fun. They want to buy more bike than they can handle, mod it until it's crazy fast, then try to tame it and get frustrated  ;D
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