FINALLY, an industry insider (GP MEchanic) drops the Honda bomb. Straight up.

[cnrcpla]

   

Google it man, crazy stuff...

[riffraff]

   

Google it man, crazy stuff...

already know about it, they say it was bath salts ... THEY lie, it was a zombie attack!      

[cnrcpla]

Yeah, because LSD can make someone do that... I mean I know that stuff messes people up, but come on, make a more believable cover up 

[VintageBlueSmoke]

I've heard of 'sucking face' but that is crazy.

BTW, Bath Salts is a street name (bet NONE of the f'n journalists knew that!).

[TMKIWI]

Well writen Bearorso.
I think along the same lines.
The policy of the Enviromental lobby of "you are with us or against us" is wrong.
They have no grey area which can be discussed rationally. They are right, we are wrong.
We the people do like too kindly to being dictated to.
There are too many unknown factors involved for anyone to say what is the root cause and how much us humans are effecting the outcome of climate change.

Here in NZ a policy was put in place 10 years ago to cut cut emmissions by limiting house fire places.
Heat pumps became the new "green" way of heating your house.
90% of our electricity comes from hydro dams with the remainder coming from Thermal , Wind and a few coal backup power stations.
Now we have a problem that each winter the national grid is at full capacity (caused in part by the thousands of heat pumps)and we have had blackouts or the coal stations have to be fired up. (The greens don't like that)
And if we have lower then normal rain fall (which has happened the last 2 years) the hydro lakes do not get to full capacity.
So we have to either build more hydro dams, the greens don't want any more rivers dammed, build more coal fired power stations, A definate no no, or.............. that is where no one can find a solution.
This all came about because they did a polution study from our worst city and applied it across the country.
Chrischurch is in a basin like LA or Athens and any smoke or smog does not clear. The rest of the country has good wind flow and does not have any of the associated polution problems .
But now the rest of us can not warm our houses like we used to and we have reached our electricity capacity.
The point being, flawed green policy's can have a negative outcome on our lives. " title="Angry" class="smiley">

[Stusmoke]

Why are we concerned about the environment... There is a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE starting in Miami. 

    

I am catching the next flight into miami. This is something I must be a part of.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=zombie+apocalypse+order+of+usefulness&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1804&bih=1016&tbm=isch&tbnid=cfQDFTwwlKXbdM:&imgrefurl=http://graphjam.memebase.com/2009/12/14/funny-graphs-zombie-objects/&docid=67YU41hHtGoSeM&imgurl=http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-graphs-zombie-objects.jpg&w=504&h=473&ei=F-PHT_PvIo6TiQeyoLHEDg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=451&sig=109988944824804312037&page=1&tbnh=154&tbnw=164&start=0&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:71&tx=107&ty=86

[Jeram]

In another post (something like "more proof") I talked a bit about this GW thing. Back prior to the '70's, it was generally considered that the world was cooling due to Ozone depletion. So, in response to that and the particle emissions that create SMOG (causing great sunsets in California), actions were taken to limit the effect we were having. Unfortunately, by cleaning our cars et al, we have swung the other way and actions need to be taken to PULLUTE. However, we can do it in a controlled way (see the 2 posts below taken from the other post). Take the time to look it up.

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Some of you might be too young to remember but in the 60's and 70's, the big fear was "Global Cooling" and a new ice age. There were tons of disaster movies about it. Then they discovered El Nino.

As strange as this might sound there are two books worth reading: Freakonomics and Superfreakonomics. Both have chapters concerning the myths of Global Warming and Superfreakonomics has great insight into Intellectual Ventures, a company that brings capitol to inventors. I.V. was started by Nathan Myhrvold who was the CTO of Microsoft. He employs Ken Caldeira, who ?is among the most respected climate scientists in the world, his research cited approvingly by the most fervent environmentalists.? Believe me, these books are not boring school texts. They are well written and entertaining. You'll have a hard time putting them down!

All of the anti climate change theories so far have been condemed as violating the laws of physics by Stephen Hawkins. There is a reason why one of the most brilliant minds in the world is an avid supporter of the theory of climate change

Why would I inject this seemingly off topic information? Because Global warming is an economic marketing scare tactic used by those in political power to get what they want: More money and power.

Id say its the other way around completely, anti global warming is a control tactic by the fossil fuel giants

It is up to us, the unwashed masses, to educate ourselves and not let them take it away from us.

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Of course, that is a horrid way of looking at it but really, he's right.

Will you and your family stop eating meat? Without sustained animal farms, predominantly cattle, man can't continue to eat meat since cattle farming is the single worst producer of green house gasses. Will you stop flying? Aircraft produce more toxic emissions than cars. Will you stop having children? Our limited resources really can't support 6 billion people.

I feel it is our generations responsibility to do something, therefore I dont eat meat, I catch public transport where its available, I only fly once or twice per year, and I have no plans to have children, if everyone else did that then there wouldnt be a problem.

The truth is, YOU are not the problem...WE are the problem. In the grand scheme of things, you recycling or becoming a dirty hippy vegan Theres nothing diry or hippy about being vegetarian or vegan, I hate hippys too, earlier this year I woke up and realised that its scientifically proven that humans were never intended to eat meat, its healthier not to, cheaper not to, better for the environment not to, the only thing it goes against is the beleife system in western culture which is carnism (meat eater) is not going to change much unless we ALL do it That way of thinking will never get us anywhere, 2/3 of the world are mostly vegetarian. Sorry, I like Porterhouses and showers long showers are my guilty pleasure tootoo much for that.

As with every problem, there is an engineering solution. That is the cool thing about I.V.. They have a solution to this and other problems, and it is pretty low cost considering...and they are continually working for more.
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so far all the interlectual ventures have just been expensive band aid fixes, Virgin a few year back suggested that we place thousand of pipes in the ocean around the world to bring warm water and nutrients to the top for algae to feed off. they didnt however concisider that eutrophic (nutrient rich algal bloom water) would create thousands of huge dead zone around the world where the algae would smother everything under it like a blanket.

being the the world is too stupid to do anything about it we will just have to wait for the americans to get helium-3 haha
not that they would be willing to share it will any other nations haha

[Stusmoke]

In another post (something like "more proof") I talked a bit about this GW thing. Back prior to the '70's, it was generally considered that the world was cooling due to Ozone depletion. So, in response to that and the particle emissions that create SMOG (causing great sunsets in California), actions were taken to limit the effect we were having. Unfortunately, by cleaning our cars et al, we have swung the other way and actions need to be taken to PULLUTE. However, we can do it in a controlled way (see the 2 posts below taken from the other post). Take the time to look it up.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some of you might be too young to remember but in the 60's and 70's, the big fear was "Global Cooling" and a new ice age. There were tons of disaster movies about it. Then they discovered El Nino.

As strange as this might sound there are two books worth reading: Freakonomics and Superfreakonomics. Both have chapters concerning the myths of Global Warming and Superfreakonomics has great insight into Intellectual Ventures, a company that brings capitol to inventors. I.V. was started by Nathan Myhrvold who was the CTO of Microsoft. He employs Ken Caldeira, who ?is among the most respected climate scientists in the world, his research cited approvingly by the most fervent environmentalists.? Believe me, these books are not boring school texts. They are well written and entertaining. You'll have a hard time putting them down!

All of the anti climate change theories so far have been condemed as violating the laws of physics by Stephen Hawkins. There is a reason why one of the most brilliant minds in the world is an avid supporter of the theory of climate change

Why would I inject this seemingly off topic information? Because Global warming is an economic marketing scare tactic used by those in political power to get what they want: More money and power.

Id say its the other way around completely, anti global warming is a control tactic by the fossil fuel giants

It is up to us, the unwashed masses, to educate ourselves and not let them take it away from us.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course, that is a horrid way of looking at it but really, he's right.

Will you and your family stop eating meat? Without sustained animal farms, predominantly cattle, man can't continue to eat meat since cattle farming is the single worst producer of green house gasses. Will you stop flying? Aircraft produce more toxic emissions than cars. Will you stop having children? Our limited resources really can't support 6 billion people.

I feel it is our generations responsibility to do something, therefore I dont eat meat, I catch public transport where its available, I only fly once or twice per year, and I have no plans to have children, if everyone else did that then there wouldnt be a problem.

The truth is, YOU are not the problem...WE are the problem. In the grand scheme of things, you recycling or becoming a dirty hippy vegan Theres nothing diry or hippy about being vegetarian or vegan, I hate hippys too, earlier this year I woke up and realised that its scientifically proven that humans were never intended to eat meat, its healthier not to, cheaper not to, better for the environment not to, the only thing it goes against is the beleife system in western culture which is carnism (meat eater) is not going to change much unless we ALL do it That way of thinking will never get us anywhere, 2/3 of the world are mostly vegetarian. Sorry, I like Porterhouses and showers long showers are my guilty pleasure tootoo much for that.

As with every problem, there is an engineering solution. That is the cool thing about I.V.. They have a solution to this and other problems, and it is pretty low cost considering...and they are continually working for more.
[
so far all the interlectual ventures have just been expensive band aid fixes, Virgin a few year back suggested that we place thousand of pipes in the ocean around the world to bring warm water and nutrients to the top for algae to feed off. they didnt however concisider that eutrophic (nutrient rich algal bloom water) would create thousands of huge dead zone around the world where the algae would smother everything under it like a blanket.

being the the world is too stupid to do anything about it we will just have to wait for the americans to get helium-3 haha
not that they would be willing to share it will any other nations haha

You're so right... theres only been about 10 thousand studies proven on EITHER side. thats right EITHER SIDE. I don't know who is calling bullshit, I know I hate the tree hugging faggots but to be COMPLETELY HONEST I think half the issues surrounding out environment could be solved if they stopped cutting down trees and planting the bastards instead.
Yeah I don't have a degree, yeah I don't know what I'm talking about, no I don't care. I know trees convert CO2 into oxygen and removing too much of either CO2 or oxygen is gonna be bad mojo.

I agree with everything VBS said. Absolutely everything. And Jeram I was infact aware that humans were never originally designed for meat (please lets not get into the creation vs. evolution thing) but for todays society its kind of just one of those things we need. I love it, infact I have my name on the wall of a restaurant for dominating a 1 kilogram steak (about 2.1 pounds roughly). There were tons of sides too you guys should've seen the size of those potatoes... Anyway thats not the point the point is I love it, I'm not giving it up. As for its healthier to be a vegetarian? I did an assignment on this sometime last year and I found that if you can balance your diet WITHOUT including meat and substitute in some other major source of protein, it has been known to slow cancer.

There is still SO much about the human body we don't know.

WOW this got off topic

[VintageBlueSmoke]

That way of thinking will never get us anywhere, 2/3 of the world are mostly vegetarian.

Being at the top of the food chain, I think we could solve the problem by EATING that 2/3'rds! Soilent Green! I get all the veggies I need from eating meat and drinking beer! Cows eat grass, I eat cows. It's how the world goes round.

 

[Jeram]

That way of thinking will never get us anywhere, 2/3 of the world are mostly vegetarian.

Being at the top of the food chain, I think we could solve the problem by EATING that 2/3'rds! Soilent Green! I get all the veggies I need from eating meat and drinking beer! Cows eat grass, I eat cows. It's how the world goes round.

 

haha, but remember that in buisness, if you cut out the middle man you make more money?
cut out the cow and eat the grass for a fatter profit

[VintageBlueSmoke]

Touche'

[TMKIWI]

The "humans were never supposed to eat meat" thing is new age bullshit.
Herbivore animals have molar teeth to chew plants.
Carnivores have canine & incisors.
We have all 3.
I agree with vintage, I get enough plant material from the hops in my beer.
I just had beef cordon bleu and I feel very satisfied.

Or maybe I am dying having meat & dairy in 1 sitting. that was sarcasm.

[Recovered]

The "humans were never supposed to eat meat" thing is new age bullshit.
Herbivore animals have molar teeth to chew plants.
Carnivores have canine & incisors.
We have all 3.
I agree with vintage, I get enough plant material from the hops in my beer.
I just had beef cordon bleu and I feel very satisfied.

Or maybe I am dying having meat & dairy in 1 sitting. that was sarcasm.

I eat Thai.  but she is also half-swedish.  I eat Colombian, but she is always busy during the week.  She likes the track though, so that's a plus.

Wait, what?

[SachsGS]

Solar power could offset heat pump electrical consumption.I know,I know,one more thing to buy and one more thing to maintain but having witnessed a modern solar power installation in action it is the future.They keep jacking up the utility rates in my area (electricity exports to California) so the only way out I can see is solar power.

 I live in a semi arid,sunny area and I'm installing heat pumps as we speak AND my house faces south so solar power is a natural.

I've got a contract with two restaurants in the area for deep fryer fat which I refine into bio diesel and I've come to realize that my Mercedes diesel can't keep up.I've got a gas pot Ford pickup and the price of gas keeps getting jacked up,let's see,$1.50 per litre equals $20 per hour to run the truck.Time to get a diesel pickup.

Motorcyclists are,in general,an intensely independent bunch so when I'm told told that my power rates are going up I say "not so fast" and start looking for alternatives.

[Recovered]

I like the idea of going off the grid.  dig your own well, solar powered everything, septic tank.  all you'd have is an internet bill.  you could get an air card, and just pay cash for it.  that's pretty "off the grid".