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Hahahah the Credible Hulk. That's a good one, makes me want to go see that new movie "The Avengers".
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sick burn dude  :D
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I ride an 03 yz250, wait 04, wait 05, what ever, they're all the same #$@% YOU!

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i really wanted to hear Suzuki TS250/185s take on this video.
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/02/03/arctic-sea-ice-increases-at-record-rate/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

I actually read that report with an open mind even though it was never peer reveiwed. It was an interesting read but the one large problem is that he/she makes the assumption that ice thickness is a constant, this makes all the data and conclusions invalid.
so ice area cannot be equated to ice volume.

anyhow, lets not go into global warming anymore, its really really really far off topic and Im not quiet sure how volcanoes even got mentioned in the first place haha
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That guy is a legend. And hes absolutely right.

Did anyone know that when a volcano erupts it pumps out more CO2 into the atmosphere in one hour than Australia does in one DAY. thats EVERYTHING in Australia. So yeah all those years of trying to save the polar bears by switching out the light? They don't feel the difference but thats just cos the amount of pollution humanity causes is insignificant compared to the amount that earth does itself. Global Warming is nothing more than a bullshit play constructed by Governments so they can introduce their emmisions taxes. But we really should stop chopping trees down...

An entire season of professional two stroke motocrossers puts out less pollution than one day of NASCAR racing

those volcanoes form part of the equilibruim that was the carbon cycle: prior to the modern human civilization. it doesnt count :P

you've been sucked into the anti climate change propaganda, no different to the 4T propaganda.

the earth did just fine without us for a billion years; volcanoes and all.


Theres a couple of major differences between you and me bud.

1.) I don't come onto a forum and start throwing accusations and start arguments left right and centre.

2.) I don't make a statement as bold as the one above without doing extensive research and maths to back it up.

3.) I can actually do the maths to back it up.

Don't tell me what I have and haven't been sucked into. You're welcome to disagree but start telling me about myself and I start getting dirty

1. Stating a difference in opinion is not an argument, you've just chosen to make it one

2. Im a Civil engineer and I specialize in environmental engineering.

3. Why do the maths? Its all been done before and published as peer reviewed scientific literature.

4. nobody likes being told they've been suckered into something, reality hurts sometimes.

5. its only you and your friend who I pick on, and only when you make absolutely absurd statements. I don't think anyone else on here has been scalded. nor do I expect them to as they are significantly more rational in comparison.

have a nice day.



Awwwww thats cute, you think big words make you hard man. Oh wait you are hard, I can hear you fap fap fapping from here.

Oh wow, you posted a scale that is not only stupidly set out, not just inaccurate but you think it makes you right.
I'm going to say it simple: You are a fuck head
There that wasn't so bad was it?
You poke and prod someone with provocative statements such as: You've been sucked into the antiglobal whatthefuckever bullshit you spewed. So you started it not me.

Mate I'm here to share opinions on the two stroke engine, not debate with some know all, ignorant tool whether or not global warming is a load of hot cock.
Not only has it been proven and published that ice ages occur every 15 thousand years roughly and we are exiting one, but there was something else... Oh yeah you're have a dick on your head.

Annnd heres the math you've been wanting, in its most basic form so mr. ilikecock Ahem sorry JERAM can understand it. Oooh damn I forgot hes a civil engineer. AND he specialises in Environmental engineering. hey bud we need rain here in Australia can you help us out? was it you that stared in Cloudy with a Chance of meatballs? Thats engineering the environment...

First off, sources:
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php#CO2      For how much volcanoes churn out
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/31/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-country-data-co2       for how much the human world puts out

lets assume that there are at bare minimum 2000 volcanoes in the world. including underwater and undiscovered ones. if you used the above links then you know that volcanoes produce roughly 130 million tons.

2000x130,000,000=260,000,000,000. SO MANY ZEROES right? Thats 260 BILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, NOT including how much SO2 they emit which is also hazardous to our Earth.

According to that link for how much humans put out its 30,398.42  MILLION. not billion. MILLION. hey Jeram I don't know if you're sheep fucker professor told you this but 1 billion is bigger than 1 million.

30,398,420 divided by 260,000,000,000 and then multiplied by 100=.0116917

Humans put out 1.16917 percent of earths NATURAL CO2 emissions and oh yeah, this is NOT including SO2 emissions, nor the CO2 emissions of animals or anything else. Just CO2 in a volcano vs CO2 from humans. This most brutally basic highschool Maths sheds a fair bit of light on this bullshit.

So in conclusions: You are a provocative douche, an arrogant fool and most likely a liar.

We don't need your attitudes here, piss off



Thats fucking cool im using that lol
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read your own source instead of making up bullshit facts using 'backyard science' methods to make your stats.

from your own link!
"Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year"

it clearly states the plural, not singular

260 billion... FUKING LOL, do you even know how much that is? we wouldnt be alive if you were right, so Im glad your wrong.

if your going to attempt to state facts regarding a discussion of a scientific nature, please dont reference a newspaper article, you just look like a clown when you do that. Hint: try google scholar!... yes there is such a thing!

this is what it really looks like, dumbed down in a diagram for you with all the proportions including volcanoes and burning fossil fuels
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You need to pull your head in Stu.
We don't go attacking people like that on here.
Calling someone a f***head is not on.
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If you don't fall off you are not going hard enough

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Of course its all a load of shit, I don't care about hte global warming shit you're spewing I made that up as I went along, though I'm pretty sure the numbers were decently close xD

Saying that its a plural is actually not proving anyones point. Its simply saying that the volcanoes do in fact do this. It doesn't give indication as to the number of volcanoes. it would need to be volcanoes' I think.
All my argument with you is champ: Don't come on here and start attacking people just cos they made a statement that they believe. You provoked me and I pushed back. Thats all there is to it

I couldnt care less if I get banned, I come here to share opinions on the two stroke engine, not debate useless topics with assholes.

You need to pull your head in Stu.
We don't go attacking people like that on here.
Calling someone a f***head is not on.

But its okay for people to tell someone that they're stupid? Nah I think I'll push back not just sit here and take shit from trollers

Yes I modified this post I mispoke
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"Finally............."

That video has been around for a while.

It's just a mechanic saying what is a known thing, by anyone with a reasonable amount of brain cells.

Honda, announced they were stopping 2t 'series' production by the end of the 2007 model year - I think, a decade and a half, at least, before 2007.

Yet , somehow, many of what we have / had as journalists, seemed to only discover that policy just before 2007, or, after it. Piss poor 'journalism' basically. And, "head in the sand" attitudes from most, that caused them to ignore, or forget, it was coming at the end of 2007.

Though, the 125 and 250 NS/NSRs stayed around for a few more years, of course. Built to pre-order,  ntil the 'new' classes started.

The whole Honda/ 2 stroke saga, can be found on the Internet in a few clicks. I think "The Eternal 2 stroke site, and it's sister site, covers it extensively, and goes into many areas. Including some base idiocy on frame design, pertaining to swingarm pivot points that stands out badly. And some very over the top claims for HP achieved by a tuner / tuners with a KTM 80?..........

Terry Goods www.mxworksbike.com deals very well with the start of Hondas 2t era:

http://mxworksbike.com/Honda_1972_RC125M.htm

Soichiro Honda, personally hated 2ts - though, his very first bike had a 2T engine - a gorgeous looking little bike, that may have been the A1. And he inculcated that into his companies ethos.

That Honda has continually used their influence throughout racing, since they started - well, basically from the mid sixties when they really started to rack up titles - is something all should be aware of. Other major manufacturers, haven't been hard to convert to their cause / not put up an argument, when it has enabled them to use their Superbike Technology in more applications.

Moto GP, Moto2, now Moto3 - Pro Level MX / Enduro etc, has all been influenced / controlled by Honda. 2t parity in MX2, was put into the regs, by the FIM, at, I think, the 2008 FIM congress, for the 2010 MX GP series. It 'disappeared', from the FIM rule books, sometime in 2009. Honda, tried to have World Trials limited to 4ts only - it was going to happen, until all the other Trials manufacturers, said they'd quit, if that was the case. In a tiny market like that, the tiny companies had a fair bit of power - the 'all 4t' rule, disappeared.  But, with Honda going back into World Trials, with a brilliant strategy of obtaining the best rider(s) in the world - 1st Dougie Lampkin, with Fujinami as an entertaining, highly popular / personable constant, then now Bou, they've dominated World Trials for many years. Though many other companies have their 4ts, 2ts, by numbers, still dominate Trials in sales and international / national / local events. Why wouldn't they, when they have more Torque, more HP, are lighter (though, Works Hondas weigh a hell of a lot less than std RTLs). But, just like with the rest of the sport, the Noise Issue has reared it's head now in Trials, creating incredible problems. Gone are the days of quiet 2ts, and the sweet, relatively quiet sound of the earlier Works Honda 4ts, of  Miller,Whaley, Lejeune and Saunders and others.

As for "climate change". It's always changed. It's thought that the advent of farming / crop growing in the 'fertile crescent', then that spreading into Europe, was the first real example of Humans affecting the world climate - basically, delaying and much reducing the severity of the 'mini ice ages' to come.

I have no trouble believing what we do has it's effects. But I don't know who to believe as to the extent of  what we do, effects the planets 'body clock'. Some say our pollution additions can / could tip the scales, Some say there's no way what we do can effect things.

I'm for being sensible, and trying to minimize our 'effing up' the planet.  Coal fired Electricity Power Plants - well, lets make an effort to have them as clean as is possible. The rather large amount of reports I've read about Algae ponds / dams, and other organic techs, makes me think there could be a win / win, with things like that. ICE powered vehicles being cleaner, factories etc emitting less pollutants, I'm All for.

It could be all BS, and I'm a gullible fool.

And, thinking greedily, the more people that get into EVs, for example, means perhaps more fuel for me to use, in my dirty, smelly 2t. And my other ICE vehicles. Off course, the production of EVs, and the production of the electricity they use, surely won't produce pollutants...................................................................... *this, is Sarcasm, folks*

You mention 2ts to most, and all they think of is  the blue haze from earlier 2ts / badly jetted / running  modern 2ts. Or, my 500 in the first few hundred metres of running as it clears out the rich mixture from using the choke at the start of a ride / during initial warm up. I'm such an evil  >:-D bastard...............

So, going 4t, all the time, every time, has been a great way for companies to baffle the hardline greenies with BS.

The President / CEO of Husky, has been quoted as saying a new 300cc DFI 2t will appear at the Cologne Show this year. Andrea Lettinbechter (sp?) will be using it in a few Extreme events this year, too, apparently. KTM have repeatedly said they would bring out their DFI 2t, When They Have To. For 2ts to keep being sold in markets that require road registration, they will have to pass new regulations that come into force, in Europe, in 2013, or 2014. That's what DFI, EFI, and other types of cleaner 2t techs are all about. For you blokes that don't care, as you don't need rego etc, think a bit. These Techs, will have 2ts, of All types, back legally on the roads. A twin cylinder 600cc class sports bike, or 1000cc twin cylinder Superbike, or Any Type of bike (well, maybe not those atrocities called cruisers), will be a much nicer, lighter, simpler, Torquier, more powerful bike than what we have available now. And much more fuel efficient than 2ts have ever been.





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If they can make a road legal DI 2T enduro it will only be a couple years untill husky makes a 600 twin :D
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AbsoEffinglutely.

As I've said Many times before, sanity may just return - well, at least a little bit of it.
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Why are we concerned about the environment... There is a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE starting in Miami.  ;) ;)
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Why are we concerned about the environment... There is a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE starting in Miami.  ;) ;)


 :o  :o  :o
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aaahhhhh yes, I remember the good old days