Everyone questions the two stroke decision

[chump6784]

When i was at the track on Sunday i was talking to a guy and he asked me how the old two stroke was going. I told him it was great and i love it. He asked if i was going to go to a four stroke and i said no way. After a bit more of a conversation we got on to the topic of maintenance. i mentioned how easy it was to do the top end on mine and then a worried look came over his face when he realised that he needed to do a top end on his face and he mentioned the $1000 price tag as long as he does it before it pops.

i thought it was funny that he was saying i should "upgrade" and by the end if the conversation it sounded like he should be upgrading

[nom de guerre]

it doesn't cost a grand for a typical topend job... piston/ cam chain.  BUT, if it does blow then he has every reason to worry!!! Yep, 2t all the way...

[Recovered]

Print out that dyno plot of the 250SX dyno'd with the 250F, and pull it out and show it to them the next time someone uses the term "upgrade".

"upgrade" to a bike with 15 less horepower, 25more lbs, and half the service life.

people are just fucking stupid, there's no way else to explain it.

[scotty dog]

Print out that dyno plot of the 250SX dyno'd with the 250F, and pull it out and show it to them the next time someone uses the term "upgrade".

"upgrade" to a bike with 15 less horepower, 25more lbs, and half the service life.

people are just fucking stupid, there's no way else to explain it.

Hit the nail on the head, i have had four stroke numbskulls tell me the same. I tell em i'll challenge em to a top end rebuild between races they get this blank look on there face.... 

[rookie]

time will tell the truth.

somebody just need to learn by the hard way.   

[Recovered]

the thing is that no one wants to feel like an idiot for buying an 8900 dollar piece of shit.  so, logically they are going to talk it up as much as possible, and talk down to everyone around them. 

[xandyx]

as i see it is like the guys near my town, they think they are more "motocross rider" because they had the 2010 bike, the 2011's bike, now they have 2012 bike, and sure they'll get the next years bike. why so much trade?! some of those bikes fail time to time, or maybe it's just fashion to have the lastest year bike, with shinny new plastics even if they that the bike will be the same as in the last 5 years. if they would swap for a reliable bike, even if it's an older model?? hell no, why!? in theyr head "what people will say if i show up with an old bike..oh man, i gotta carry oil in my backpack if i ride a big trail session!"

it's true, i've seen it!! MXA is available here in Portugal, they get the magazine and i ear them talking about non sense bike improvments from a year to another and a bit latter they'll decide to trade theyr bikes.

local bike shops have loads of 4 stroke bikes, 2 or 3 new ones, and 10 of them from 05 to 2011 in mint condition, that's why i say it's fashion to trade bikes nowadays..

[scotty dog]

I think people get addicted to the "new bike" thing, i was. I used to trade every year, i would pay about $2000 and get myself a new bike. I used to ride lots and my bikes were still in good condition but not like a new one. I didnt give a shit about changes made though, i used to buy different brands for the hell of it, i couldnt sell mine now, im too attached to it..

[Recovered]

in the 80s and 90s you actually needed the new bike to be competitive.  that stopped in around 05-06.  but back in 92, if you didnt get the 93, you were getting raped.  also, the build quality was much lower, so chances were your 92 model was completely clapped at 30 hours.

[snook620]

So it makes someone fucking stupid because of the dirt bike they ride? WTF does it matter what everyone else rides? Who cares how much it cost to rebuild? Seriously?

Ive been turning some laps on my sons bmx track with a klx110 so Ive gotta speak up  ..and Im getting pretty damn fast 

[cnrcpla]

the thing is that no one wants to feel like an idiot for buying an 8900 dollar piece of shit.  so, logically they are going to talk it up as much as possible, and talk down to everyone around them.
 

Exactly. Nailed it right there. No one wants to admit they bought a POS, so they don't make it look that way by any means they can.

[Recovered]

So it makes someone fucking stupid because of the dirt bike they ride? WTF does it matter what everyone else rides? Who cares how much it cost to rebuild? Seriously?

Ive been turning some laps on my sons bmx track with a klx110 so Ive gotta speak up  ..and Im getting pretty damn fast 

no, what you ride does not make you stupid.

but if you pulled up to a guy on a KX105 supermini on your KLX110 and started giving hi the 7th degree on how bad ass your fourstroke 110 is, and why the supermini guy should "upgrade", then yea, let's just say you would not be a front runner for the nobel prize in astro-physics.

[MetalMike1982]

in the 80s and 90s you actually needed the new bike to be competitive.  that stopped in around 05-06.  but back in 92, if you didnt get the 93, you were getting raped.  also, the build quality was much lower, so chances were your 92 model was completely clapped at 30 hours.

Throwing jabs at older bikes is just what you do huh ?

[Recovered]

in the 80s and 90s you actually needed the new bike to be competitive.  that stopped in around 05-06.  but back in 92, if you didnt get the 93, you were getting raped.  also, the build quality was much lower, so chances were your 92 model was completely clapped at 30 hours.

Throwing jabs at older bikes is just what you do huh ?

are you emotionally attached to pre-00 bikes? 

[VintageBlueSmoke]

Got to pipe in here...not supporting the 4$ issue but concerning a new bike every (couple of) year(s)... back in the day, when I lost my support ride with Yamaha, I looked at going it alone and what it would take to get my clapped out year old race bike back to competitive readiness. Needless to say, after the cost of replacing engine bearings, suspension bearings, plastics, chain, sprockets, tires, mousse, yada...yada...yada, I could just buy a new bike (at a discount) and start fresh.

Luckily for me, I was picked up by another Yamaha squad and my problem solved.

But I hear you, their ain't much difference (performance wise) since the mid 90's. YSS might be the biggest thing since then bu tI doubt it is "game changing" like the changes every few years preceding it.