Pulp Mx podcast

[sdjclevland]

I just started listening to this for three weeks now and I really like the show for the most part. You get awesome inside information and learn a lot of stuff but it seems like any time a caller or guest brings up two strokes the matthis just does not wanna deal wit it. He has no comment about it but says racing was better in the two stroke era.  Josh hill was a guest and a caller brought up two strokes and hill asked everyones opinions about them then they got into a awesome conversation about two strokes then matthis just moved it along and I was like what the hell.   Any ways they really should add a two stroke segment to the show or atleast ask every guest on the show atleast one two stroke question cause the entire panel this week seemed to love them and was ready to talk about them until matthis killed it.

[EJ]

All the people who have an interest in the 4strokes, have really changed into creeps.
Shows how much brainwash-power the 4'strokers have.
If there is only 1 person in the room who is anti 2 stroke, the conversation will not be tolerated...
Even if all the other people are willing to talk about it!

You can't race 2 strokes in pro's fair!
They limit the number of 2 strokes wich are new for sale!
They will not accept any two stroke talk!
It's pretty sad to see a nice big free world, turn into a dictatorship.
The 4 stroke communism is very obvious!

This calls for more action!!!

[SwapperMX]

Some very good points u make. The current motocross "media" try to avoid two stroke discussion and topics like the plague. MXA seem to be an exception, but I dont know if that is just because they like to go against the grain. I do remember them being very pro four stroke when all anyone else spoke about was two strokes. I do like the MXA publication regardless. They do seem to be on our side. I would love to see that show in particular have two stroke discussions and topics. It would be very, very interesting to listen to. It would prove to be more than just a "minority" that like the two strokes. If Soubeyras can manage to qualify for a supercross main event, they may be forced to talk about the two stroke topic. I would definitely tune in to that show !!

[EJ]

As long as Cedric will be the only 2 stroke out there, i'm afraid they won't give
any attention to two strokes.
The way they broadcast and commentary SX races these days is just sad and hypocrite!
It sometimes hurts me to watch and listen to the fake commentary,
and see how the AMA has changed to worse, and more and more influence from the OEM's...

It really saddens and worries me, to see what has happened AMA pro mx and sx.  

[Shawn36]

You're only listening to shows after he has already talked about it.  He has covered 2-strokes at length and feels the topic is a dead horse.  In past shows (specifically Dec 01 podcast labeled The News with Tits Legendary, I'll even give you a time marker where he starts talking about it.  Minute 54) he gives his full honest opinion on what happened when 4-strokes came on the scene and how it feels about it.  You need to remember Matthes has been a factory mechanic for Yamaha when they came out with the 400, 426, and 250F. 

If you don't feel like listening to the show his statements are pretty pro 2-stroke, he puts a lot of the blame on the OEMs and AMA for not toning down the 4-strokes when it was obvious they were an advantage.  And especially a bad taste for how Yamaha pushed the 250F and pretty much put an end to the 125 class. 

[ACMX]

Yeah that wasnt a smart move... Twice the displacement is just a no brainer. Don't do it. 250v450 is pushing it even.

[TMKIWI]

I see you have been promoted Andrew.
I better behave.

[ACMX]

 

[TMKIWI]

That was a classic.

[scottydog]

You're only listening to shows after he has already talked about it.  He has covered 2-strokes at length and feels the topic is a dead horse.  In past shows (specifically Dec 01 podcast labeled The News with Tits Legendary, I'll even give you a time marker where he starts talking about it.  Minute 54) he gives his full honest opinion on what happened when 4-strokes came on the scene and how it feels about it.  You need to remember Matthes has been a factory mechanic for Yamaha when they came out with the 400, 426, and 250F. 

If you don't feel like listening to the show his statements are pretty pro 2-stroke, he puts a lot of the blame on the OEMs and AMA for not toning down the 4-strokes when it was obvious they were an advantage.  And especially a bad taste for how Yamaha pushed the 250F and pretty much put an end to the 125 class. 

Just a little insight on that, If the OEM's knew full well that the 4 strokes had a displacement advantage that everyone would have to go out and buy new bikes to replace the older uncompatitive ones?

or am I way off?

[sdjclevland]

Yeah shawn I heard that podcast.  I honestly can't say I have ever heard matthis putting up a fight for two strokes I more or less hear him say I'm for them let's move on.  But I can only go by the podcasts I hear which have only been 3 or 4 pulp Mx and 4 or 5 matthis ones.     It's just funny cause be says he's for them but now it's the 4t era so let's talk about that but then he says two strokes are making a come back.  So why not talk about the bikes?   I'm not against four strokes but I think it would be nice not to just shrug off two stones cause it would be a shame if ktm is the only maker of them I can buy

[Shawn36]

You're only listening to shows after he has already talked about it.  He has covered 2-strokes at length and feels the topic is a dead horse.  In past shows (specifically Dec 01 podcast labeled The News with Tits Legendary, I'll even give you a time marker where he starts talking about it.  Minute 54) he gives his full honest opinion on what happened when 4-strokes came on the scene and how it feels about it.  You need to remember Matthes has been a factory mechanic for Yamaha when they came out with the 400, 426, and 250F. 

If you don't feel like listening to the show his statements are pretty pro 2-stroke, he puts a lot of the blame on the OEMs and AMA for not toning down the 4-strokes when it was obvious they were an advantage.  And especially a bad taste for how Yamaha pushed the 250F and pretty much put an end to the 125 class. 

Just a little insight on that, If the OEM's knew full well that the 4 strokes had a displacement advantage that everyone would have to go out and buy new bikes to replace the older uncompatitive ones?

or am I way off?

Everyone has their own opinion on that but I'd lean toward the idea sales increased because the 4-strokes were new and different.  Especially at first the 4-stroke wasn't even a good bike.  I don't think anyone who rode those old 400 Yamahas when they came out (which I did) would have said it was better than a 250 2-stroke, I sure didn't think they were.  But there were still a ton of them showing up at local tracks. 

[miedosoracing]

Hill:  He said I wish the 4 stroke was never invented, but it was a quick response.  I think he meant to say, produced for MX bikes.  Either way, shoots down the "in the pits, no pros have interest in 2 strokes."  Just interesting hearing that.    

My friend said the same thing. That the 400 wasn't that great.  But here's the thing.  DC already said, due to the whole EPA thing, the OEM's were trying to convert over to the 4 strokes. So there is no conspiracy, it's more of a fact.  Said that Yamaha didn't feel the 400 was big enough to be "competitive". Thus, the 450's were used.  Mathis, says one thing everytime and it really pisses me off. "Yeah, um but we spoke with our wallets."  When magazines tell you a 450 is better, when OEM's stop basically any types of updates, when ads are for the 450F, when dealers are telling you that 2 strokes are banned, when rules allow something like this, uhh duh. It's only obvious.

But I regress, I have given up on pro's, it's not gonna happen. Haven't you guys noticed on my Vital posts, that 4 stroke guys shut up when I post about magazines?  Seriously, they kept on posting that us 2 strokers could 99.9% of the time buy and race them. Well since I started asking them to confirm that magazines should thus run a legit shootout, with the same bikes us 99.9% of the population can buy and race. Chirp chirp chirp from the crickets.  See, magazines and shootouts are where we lost the game, now we need to win it back.  Magazines are the heart of sales, and shootouts should have what amateurs can race and buy. Not pros racing. Start pushing the full shootout and you will see the 4 strokers shut up...

[EJ]

I don't have a vitalmx-account, but i read the 2 stroke related topics over there lately.
And you and some other members from over here ( i believe Burn also), are doing a good job.

It takes only a little bit of logic sense, to realize that pro racing is all about sales and money these days...
But i think it's relatively safe now, to say that all of the 4 stroke preachers and believers have
really underestimated the long lasting staying-power of the 2 Strokes!