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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 06:41:28 PM »
I like Honda ... Pre-2008  :P
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 07:01:50 PM »


I dont think their bikes are crappy.
Just their business practices
Well TMKIWI I definetly DO NOT think that any of Hondas' older as well as their most recent 2-strokes are crappy bikes at all but hopefully you understand that I'm a diehard 2-stroke fan 100%.I do believe in different strokes for different folks but as for me when it comes to any offroad riding or racing it's got to be a 2-stroke for me! 4-strokes are OK for street bikes but I don't like them offroad,and I think alot of people forget that this site is called TwoStrokeMotocross NOT ThumperTalk.So there is sites out there for 4-smoke fans..... :D
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 08:23:35 PM »
This debate is not going the way it should.  I know I don't have any moderating power to enforce what I say, but if you're going to get in an argument with someone, do it right, people!  Calling people names, criticizing their spelling, making silly analogies with womens' clothing - it's the kind of bullshit that four-year-olds do when they disagree.  We aren't in pre-school anymore, it's time to man up, take a look at the real issue at hand (is the criticism of Honda justified) and put out honest points and counterpoints.

Now the way I see it, Honda has played an active role in creating rules changes, both in MX/SX and in MotoGP, they deserve to take some heat for that.  Honda has removed all two-strokes from their line up, and they deserve to take heat for that.  Honda managed to develop a two-stroke for the ages which would absolutely raze the competition, but quietly let it fall into obscurity.  They deserve to be criticized for these things, even as they deserve praise for others.  Primarily, Honda has historically made some really kick-ass two-strokes.  The original Elsinores hit the industry like a bomb, and the CR line continued to stay in the limelight and gather a loyal fanbase for decades.  If that's not praiseworthy, nothing is.  At the same time, the other manufacturers are not innocent by any means.  Each and every one of the Big Five have varying levels of blood on their hands.  There was a time, admittedly, when Yamaha had the bloodiest hands of all, but at least they're showing an interest in washing some of it off by keeping the YZ's at least in existence.  This may seem small, but when you think of people riding two-strokes today, most of the time it's on a YZ.  Honda is the only one of the group to not only keep the blood on their hands, but to raise said bloody hands to the heavens and proclaim the virtues of their... uh... red hands.

It comes down to what I said before.  Nobody is the root of all evil, but that doesn't mean that they're not the root of some.  All of the Big Five (as well as a few other parties which we all know about) have their own stake in the blame for what has happened.  However, it is my opinion that of all of them, Honda have the most to answer for.  If it wasn't for the EXP fiasco, things would be different.

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maybe i will start some threads on how much Yamaha or Maico sucks and how bad there "business"is bad for the sport

With Yamaha, you've got fair points.  Like I said above, they have a whole HELL of a lot of blood on their hands.  But, I would honestly love to see what kind of dirt you've got on Maico.  If it's bad enough, maybe you can get me to boycott them, too.  I'm serious about that.
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Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2010, 08:24:49 PM »
Guys this is getting out of hand. Let's see who the bigger person is.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2010, 08:43:58 PM »
Guys this is getting out of hand. Let's see who the bigger person is.


Thats very true and sometimes i get carried away so for that i am sorry.........I just really get tired of the negative spin from some on here put on Honda but from now on i will keep it to myself.......
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 07:46:24 AM by John Nicholas »

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2010, 08:46:53 PM »
I think thats the best thing you have ever writen jetz. :)
I don't see how not liking a manufactor could be seen as a personal attack on somebody. ::)
I couldnt care less what brand of bike somebody owns.
Hell i own 2 honda's.From the 70's.
It doesnt stop me having an opinion now does it ?
I thought we lived in a free world.

Its like the Ford v Holden thing in NZ & Aus.
People have punch ups over which is better. :-[
It's just a bloody car.

Thats it from me. :-X
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2010, 08:48:06 PM »
Badmouthing Honda's not got to get you anywhere, except pissing people off who own Honda's, and who post on here, who own Honda two strokes.
I see these remarks about "HONDOO sucks", and I think thats pretty disrespectful to those who own Honda two strokes.
What kind of comments are those?  You, a certain two guys, seem to be bringing this up with crude remarks a lot.
Say it once and be done with it.  Nobody cares to hear you badmouth a brand like that over and over again?  
Let economics rule and perhaps for your sakes Honda dirt bikes will discontinue.
I dont badmouth Maico or Yamaha.  I dont know the history of Maico but I cant remeber when Maico won a main race here in the States or Europe recently?
My experience in trying to find a used two stroke Honda is that its very rare, that tells me that they hold their value, reliability and race well.
I see a great many yamaha's and ktm's all the time in the paper and on craigs list, etc., but I dont go bad mouthing those bikes by saying
"Gee, 12 yamaha's and 22 Ktm's on Craigs list, those brands suck".
A couple threads that mention Honda as sucks, have gone way down on the post list only to resurface/move back to the top by a couple guys on here with more
childish language.

"I love you guys" so lets just ride.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 08:49:49 PM by TxTechRedRider »
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2010, 08:53:45 PM »



Hey Princess you own me a beer! :-*
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2010, 09:00:18 PM »


Hey Princess you own me a beer! :-*


Nice try :D

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2010, 09:32:36 PM »


Hey Princess you own me a beer! :-*


Nice try :D

Would that be a Killian's Red beer  :P

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2010, 04:42:15 AM »
Guys this is getting out of hand. Let's see who the bigger person is.

That would be me...  Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about the extra weight I picked up when I was working on the road for the past 4 months....  too much fast food, not enough salads....   8)
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2010, 08:01:46 AM »
This kind of thing is totally UNACCEPTABLE!! I will not tolerate this crap on my site.

Yes I edited this thread, I was going to delete the whole thing, but there was actually some interesting points on here.

Just for the record, I think Honda makes some of the best motocross bikes, cars and generators. The quality of their bike builds is amazing.

The Honda company made a business decision. They believe very strongly in their vision of the future. If you don't agree that's fine.

Personally I'm sad that Honda has taken this stance. It only means that I will not buy another new motocross bike from their company. I will not "boycott" their other products... that's my opinion.

If any of the three of you that turned this into personal attacks, does so just once more I will lock down your account for a week. If you do it a second time you will be banned from this site for life.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 09:05:05 AM »
I apologize, even JETZ realized this post was over the line a few posts up. I avoided this thread thinking it was just a repeat of the last "Honda hates two strokes" one. I didn't realize it got out of hand. I was slacking on the job  :( .

In all seriousness it's easy to miss a post, if something like this happens again, please do not hesitate to email or PM me and I will do my best to either clean it up or notify John.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2010, 11:02:44 AM »
well here is the deal honda does suck. But I never could say that there bikes sucked. Honda bailed completely off the 2 stroke market leaving its users to suffer. That type of move is borderline criminal because a lot of people bought new bikes from them and then they decide to bail? They do not care about there sales they where making from 2 strokes, they do not care about the users that are still using them, and this has made quite of few people angry and I would understand if they hate everything from Honda. Put this aside honda still makes decent bikes. Also, why would you have to boycott them? there already suffering big time, they have warehouses full of stock from 08 and 09 that they still need to sell.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2010, 12:09:46 PM »
I like Honda, and I think you guys are swell :P

Can't we all just ride along...