Jim, I appreciate the info. on Sleeter, I was wondering what his history was at the Nationals/placings, myself. From the stuff I've read, it really sounds like he was out there because he thinks the 2t is fun, enjoys riding it and just to do his best (great that he was willing to do that and a great reason to ride). But everyone that loves the 2t is also waiting for the "hero", that is at the top of the rider list and willing to take on the 2t challenge. Who knows if or how that will ever happen (with the factories in charge), so anybody willing to take up the 2t at the National level and do their best, has got to be the 2t lovers HERO. It is interesting how close the times are between a 250f, 250 2t, and 450f, seems to really come down to the rider. As far as KTM goes (your insight was interesting), hard to say what these guys have in the back of their minds, but at least the're not Honda. As far as Poison, Scorpion, Ratt, etc.... ROCK ON!