Want a two-stroke? We're told vote with our wallets...

[JohnN]

If I got a dollar for every time this worn out phrase has been touted by folks on other message boards, I'd have enough to buy a brand new two-stroke!!

This thread on Vital MX says it all. A guy who is interested in buying a brand new two-stroke. Yet is unable to buy one from his local dealer. Or any dealer in a two state area for that matter!

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Vote-With-Your-Wallet,997759

So what's the deal? There are other manufacturers that continue to build, sell, service and update two-strokes. Will we support these smaller manufacturers or wait for the Big 4 (okay Big 5) to wake up, update their badly dated two-stroke machines, and begin selling them again to the two-stroke fans?

A disturbing rumor that I heard a while ago is that all of the other manufacturers are waiting to see what big red will do before they release a two-stroke. From all the negative news from the Red camp, it's sounds as though that time will not be coming from Japan or Austria (.... India)..

So it appears to me that our only real hope is to buy new machines from those manufacturers willing to build what we want. When I buy my next bike, I know who will be getting my money.

[SubTexel]

If I got a dollar for every time this worn out phrase has been touted by folks on other message boards, I'd have enough to buy a brand new two-stroke!!

This thread on Vital MX says it all. A guy who is interested in buying a brand new two-stroke. Yet is unable to buy one from his local dealer. Or any dealer in a two state area for that matter!

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Vote-With-Your-Wallet,997759

So what's the deal? There are other manufacturers that continue to build, sell, service and update two-strokes. Will we support these smaller manufacturers or wait for the Big 4 (okay Big 5) to wake up, update their badly dated two-stroke machines, and begin selling them again to the two-stroke fans?

A disturbing rumor that I heard a while ago is that all of the other manufacturers are waiting to see what big red will do before they release a two-stroke. From all the negative news from the Red camp, it's sounds as though that time will not be coming from Japan or Austria (.... India)..

So it appears to me that our only real hope is to buy new machines from those manufacturers willing to build what we want. When I buy my next bike, I know who will be getting my money.

If they're waiting on Honda to release a 2 stroke we'll never see any new Suzukis or the like.

I really wish Suzuki would bring their 2 strokes back, and even Kawasaki if they fix their motor and actually get it to compete with the other 2 strokes. If Suzuki brought their 2 strokes back I'd have one in a heart beat, I kick myself for passing up on a clean 08 a while back (I'll find another I'm sure, but I'd love a new one!).

If Yamaha updates the 2012 2 strokes with something beyond stickers or a gold colored chain / wave rotor brakes I'll have a coronary, thats if they're even around then. With how abysmal their sales have been for the 4 strokes I wouldn't be surprised if someone up top kills the 2 strokes to save some money and push their 4 strokes harder. (Yes I know the smart thing would be to kill off the thing bleeding money (4 strokes) but I can bet they wouldn't do that).

[JohnN]

The biggest issue for us two-stroke lovers, supporters and fans is that no one counts the used market. They only count new bike sales.

Yet there are really no new machines available from the Big 5... even though they limit the numbers on the machines they sell, they base "lack of sales" on people not buying their product.

Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy if you ask me...

[ktm150rippa]

does any1 have the numbers from ktm of how many 2 strokes compared to 4 strokes they have sold this past year?

[Coop]

The biggest issue for us two-stroke lovers, supporters and fans is that no one counts the used market. They only count new bike sales.

And people like me don't help. You know, folks who cannot afford new bikes but will only buy two strokes for off-road. I would gladly buy a new bike if I had the money.

[MXLord327]

I was talking to my local KTM dealer, and he said they actually sell more 2 strokes than 4's, almost 2 to 1!!!

[ktm150rippa]

I was talking to my local KTM dealer, and he said they actually sell more 2 strokes than 4's, almost 2 to 1!!!

that just doesnt make sense to me update a bike that gets outsold and leave the other the same? Garbage

[socalcajun]

Taking all things into consideration like stock and aftermarket parts that are still very available for the two strokes why can't the the Big "5" see that the bikes are still very viable. Especially when we're talkin a couple grand for a 2 versus a 4.  As long as I can repair my KX I'm going to do it but if I were to buy a ne3w bike it would the best that is on the 2 stroke market. 

Where in the hell is the nearest TM dealer. Now I'm pissed!!!!

 

[miedosoracing]

I apparently have been clicked. I can't log on there to respond. LOL

A Chili  

and a black helicopter    


Equals

[burn1986]

I think that there will be somehting to happen for 2-strokes. There is an undeniable market for 2-strokes in Europe and the US. I know several people who have sold their 4-strokes for a 2-stroke and love them. The AMA is working with the factories to lock down MX (and SX) and limit and eventually eliminate 2-strokes. But the economy is working in favor of the 2-stroke. Unfortunately, "pride" will only work to destroy the companies and the market, regarless or what the consumer wants.

[wintrader]

Strange. Same thing in Europe. Told you my friend just traded in his gas gas 300 for a ktm 250 sxs and shop told him we only trade in your gas gas because it is a two stroke. Things changed and even though the top guys are riding 4 strokes more and more are switching to 2 strokes.

In the Neterlands KTM is the bike to have. Lots of them and second hand they are kinda expensive. TM you do not see much in the Netherlands. I was told that that has something to do woth the bad marketing of TM. Must say they are really beautifull but also heard some times more difficult to get parts. But i do not believe that. In go karting though they all use TM engines also for special class TM cross engines are used. Lots of KTM cross engines are used to because they are the fastest engines. My kart guy told me also father of pedro Tragter told me. He tunes motocross bikes. I still use a yamaha engine in my kart not the fastest but fast enough by me. Pedro's father tuned the engine for me and now fast enough. Strange thing is that max power did not change much but torque did and now and my laptimes became a lot faster.

I guess next very soon more factories will change to 2 strokes because it seems amature riders just want 2 strokes.

Will add popular site of secondhand bikes and then you can see the prices here of second hand 4 strokes compared to secondhand 2 strokes.

http://kopen.marktplaats.nl/search.php?from_searchbox_advanced=1&q=&g=693&qsf=0&postcode=&distance=&search=Zoek

Again in Dutch but understandable now i guess.

[Super Trucker]

A  paL  of  mine  has  a   small  KTM  dealership , I  order  some  parts  from him  for  my  2  CR125,s   haha.  I  think  the  big  4  or  5 , tracks  the  sales  of  parts  more  than  anything. Since  that,s  where  they  make  all  there  money .   Everything  is  tracked now, hell  I  have  a  twic card- transportation,workers,indentify,card, that has  a chip in it. To track  me  everywhere  I  go, the  card  is  for  going  into ports,etc.  It,s  just  another  gov.  money maker.  Diesel  fuel  is  tracked  big  time  to  have  real  time, on  the  nations  economy. To  see  what   parts  of the country, are  hot, moving  goods, then  they  study  everything  including  tire  purchases. At  4,800.00  for  drive  wheels  alone, that  says  the  owner operator  is  making  money, which  most are  living  off  there  credit cards,  using mis  matching  used tires.

[JohnN]

I apparently have been clicked. I can't log on there to respond. LOL

You know they probably did you a favor over there. Every time you wrote anything, you would be attacked... apparently for no reason!

Those guys over there are not really very nice. Nor do they have an open mind about anything.

Besides there is so much more to life!! When are we going to Genghis Grillee again? We still talk about that place!

[miedosoracing]

I apparently have been clicked. I can't log on there to respond. LOL

You know they probably did you a favor over there. Every time you wrote anything, you would be attacked... apparently for no reason!

Those guys over there are not really very nice. Nor do they have an open mind about anything.

Besides there is so much more to life!! When are we going to Genghis Grillee again? We still talk about that place!

You could always make the Texas MX race a yearly trip.  :-)    Next time you gotta plan time to hang out at our house and swim etc.    As far as being clicked, it is funny, I guess Guyb figured it was a good time to do it, because I haven't been going at all.  I will not go quietly into the night, I will not be clicked without a fight.  Well, maybe I will ha ha.  I just happened to go from your post there to respond with my chili/helicopters, and it wouldn't let me sign in.  "Chili" is the guy who posted the remark...

[JohnN]

Most likely, we will make the Texas round a yearly event!

It would be great to hang out, swim and talk two-strokes!

As for responding to the thread... just about anything you wrote would bring out the "goons" and it would go downhill very quickly.

My opinion... you're better off not being a part of that place!