In my opinion it really is about rider. I have ridden a 83 CR480 for almost 17 years, and on the track, can consistantly turn quicker times than our 85 CR250. Now, with the super cross type tracks nowadays, the suspension on these older bikes show their age. Some folks can just rip on those 4-strokes, likely they have been riding that type bike for some time...take alot more to go fast with a 2-smoker.