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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2010, 04:12:59 PM »
Displacement with Wankels is a little sticky, because no one can seem to agree on how to measure it.  Do you just measure the combustion chamber?  Or do you multiply that for the three sides of the rotor?  Because it's not a piston-in-cylinder setup, it'll always be awkward trying to put a Wankel into racing against more traditional engines.  That's a shame, I think, because they're damn cool engines.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2010, 05:14:09 PM »
The year when NORTON raced the WANKEL in roadracing,they won everything until the rest of the World protestet.
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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2010, 06:06:33 PM »
I have always liked the idea of a rotary in a dirt bike.
I was living in the UK when Ron Haslam was racing the Norton and that thing sounded awsome.
You are right though about what displacement they really are. No one can make up their minds.
I remember when Mazda won Le Man's with their rotary , The car was quickly outlawed.
Couldn't have the Japanese beating the European's could we ? ;)
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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2010, 06:40:11 PM »
The Europeans should've just responded with a two-stroke and wiped Mazda clean. :P


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2010, 08:37:38 PM »
"Unfortunately the Nortons withered away after their last race in 1994, thanks to the corporate intrigue that eventually downed the parent company."

Sounds sorta like what happened to a certain other European motorcycle company in the 80's  :-X
aaahhhhh yes, I remember the good old days

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2010, 10:51:44 PM »
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Lol,you've got kids too eh opfermanmotors?

Yes and this is what she has to say:

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2010, 06:58:50 AM »
500 2T's should have tracks built specifically for them, to allow them to showcase their prodigious hp/torque output. Sidecarcross has the right idea ;-)

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2010, 08:19:15 AM »
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Lol,you've got kids too eh opfermanmotors?

Yes and this is what she has to say:

1983 Maico 490 Sand Spider Rebuild Part 6



Good looking girl. Really pretty.

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2010, 10:23:13 AM »
Coooollllll,but you should have replaced the guy with your daughter for the "happy dance" near the end. :D
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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2010, 10:38:05 AM »
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Lol,you've got kids too eh opfermanmotors?

Yes and this is what she has to say:

1983 Maico 490 Sand Spider Rebuild Part 6



Good looking girl. Really pretty.



Indeed she is.Whenever anyone  said that about my daughter my usual response is "thanks,she takes after her father-whoever that is..." :D
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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2010, 11:04:05 AM »
In my opinion it really is about rider.  I have ridden a 83 CR480 for almost 17 years, and on the track, can consistantly turn quicker times than our 85 CR250.  Now, with the super cross type tracks nowadays, the suspension on these older bikes show their age.  Some folks can just rip on those 4-strokes, likely they have been riding that type bike for some time...take alot more to go fast with a 2-smoker.


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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2010, 11:20:27 AM »
Actually, I've always liked the line from an older not to be named late 80s / early 90s movie.

"Is this your son?"
"Yeah, but they don't know who the real mother is yet."

Modest beginings start with a single blow of a horn, man.

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2010, 08:26:12 PM »
Just wait untill those kids turn into teenagers!

Brings to mind a joke I once heard: "What is the key difference between a teenager and a terrorist?

"You can negotiate with a terrorist!"

Trust me, I learned that one the hard way.

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2010, 09:55:36 PM »
HEY!  I resemble that remark!


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: 500 2 strokes always were slower then 250 2 strokes!!
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 04:40:28 PM »
Just wait untill those kids turn into teenagers!

Brings to mind a joke I once heard: "What is the key difference between a teenager and a terrorist?

"You can negotiate with a terrorist!"

Trust me, I learned that one the hard way.



While I know it's that way for most,I also know that mine is going to be different :D
I'd rather a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy.