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Offline eprovenzano

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« on: February 14, 2013, 01:30:24 PM »
Two years ago my cousin wanted to get into dirt bikes.  He was approaching 40 years old and wanted to join the fun world of dirt bikes...  Of course I wanted him to get a smoker, but after a lot of contemplation, I steered him towards a used TTR 250.  It had electric start, lights, and was a pretty docile machine, perfect for a beginner...  He learned a lot that 1st season, and during the off season, we swapped out the exhaust and rejetted the carb to get a little more punch out of the bike.  He continued to made progress.  He knew he wanted something with a little more power and liked the 250F bikes... that is until he saw how hard they can be to start when warm. 

A few friends has a 250Fs, and when we would go riding, they would kick, kick, kick, kick, pant, repeat...  until it would fire.  When we were trail riding and we need to stop for a break, we always stopped at the top of a hill so they could bump start the thumpers...  He watched myself an others on smokers, one to two kicks and the bike lights up.  He is also looking to get a lighter bike as the TTR was a heavy weight.  Recently he sold the TTR and is in the market.

He's been looking at KTM's and really liked the 350's.  The price is a bit steep, and I'm concerned about EFI, and a few other issues...  So he sent me a notice, he's coming to the dark side, he found a 09 KTM XC 250...  The bike has electric start, with a kicker, low hours, and needs a new odds and ends, just like any used bike...   but I think he finally saw the light...  or smoke.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 01:45:16 PM »
A lightweight estart 250 2t  8) Good choice.I'll be interested to hear his impressions as a reasonably new rider.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 04:13:57 PM »
A friend of mine was really quick on his mega buck XR and we soon learned how to deal with him. At the start of the ride we would find a really gnarly trail, wait till he did a cough and stall and then watch him kick and curse for the next half hour. After that he as no problem - knackered and the day had just started.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 04:33:38 PM »
i agree that 2 strokes are easy to start, but so are 4 strokes unless there is something wrong.  my old kx450 and current 520exc start 1-2 kicks hot or cold.  250f is no different unless there is something wrong.  the older ones can be tough especially when hot or when modified, but the new fi 4 strokes are cake
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 03:52:46 AM »
I will disagree on that. every time we ride and I see a 4 stroke stall I see them kick and kick and kick. Having owned one I know the feeling. worst thing it is like kicking a pile of mush due to the needed compression release. I know that is needed but it makes you feel like trying to start a bike that needs a top end.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 06:15:50 AM »
He will like that KTM -- I would think. Lighter, better legs, and makes just as much low end as that TTR but after 4k rpms bye bye baby! Sure to put a grin on his face when it comes on the pipe (that or hurt him).

Looking forward to updates.

Good job Eric!
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 01:25:31 PM »
My left hand kick Berg I could start in my slippers-hot or cold,generally first kick-at most second.That said,I spent a lot of time getting the jetting right as they come way messed up from the factory.
With the estart,I could stall in a corner,yank the clutch,stab the button and go-with hardly a lost second.
I find my YZ much harder to start-just because the position of the kick is awkward for my buggery right hip.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 09:56:00 PM »
After a while of riding I find that when I try to start my bike my legs cramp up :D Extremely frustrating when you're just trying to start a 125 lol.

As for the KTM, he will love it. Most dudes at my local track end up bump starting their foopers after the first practise session. Funny to watch while I just sneeze on my kick lever and fire up.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 03:26:31 PM »
Most dudes at my local track end up bump starting their foopers after the first practise session. Funny to watch while I just sneeze on my kick lever and fire up.

That is soooo true...  A buddy has a 125, and yes sneeze of the kicker and it fires right up.  Now my 300 needs a manly kick to fire her up.  Yes she has a lot of compression.

Here is the bike on his radar

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/3528802497.html
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2019 KTM 300 XCW TPI
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Sold 1991 KDX 200... fun play bike
Sold 1999 KX250
Sold 1999 YZ125 (son's)
Sold 2001 Yamaha TTL 125 (son's 1st bike)
Sold but never forgotten 1974 Honda Elsinore CR250M
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2013, 08:28:46 PM »
Nice 8)
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2013, 08:32:10 PM »
Looks good.
Most dudes at my local track end up bump starting their foopers after the first practise session. Funny to watch while I just sneeze on my kick lever and fire up.

That is soooo true...  A buddy has a 125, and yes sneeze of the kicker and it fires right up.  Now my 300 needs a manly kick to fire her up.  Yes she has a lot of compression.

Here is the bike on his radar

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/3528802497.html

My 01 YZ250 had tons of compression too. It needed a fair bike of a kick to get fired up. But it did it, it wasn't that it needed to be kicked heaps of times you just had to put a fair bit of leg behind the kicks.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2013, 11:11:24 PM »
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My 01 YZ250 had tons of compression too. It needed a fair bike of a kick to get fired up. But it did it, it wasn't that it needed to be kicked heaps of times you just had to put a fair bit of leg behind the kicks.
I'd say that's how most bigger bore 2t's are, if you can't kick em like a man and start em, you probably shouldn't be riding em  ;)  With the planned head on mine I can stand on the kick starter and it will bearly move  ;D Gotta jump on it to start her up
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 02:36:21 AM »
I really wanna take your YZ for a spin man... Sounds scary :D

I really want a 500 even more. Has anyone ever put a wide ratio tranny in a 500 and registered it?
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2013, 08:20:36 AM »
I really wanna take your YZ for a spin man... Sounds scary :D


I do too actually, imagine the looks on peoples faces when some old 90s yz smokes their new 450  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 01:55:42 PM »
They will say its not far, as their 450's are in the same class as 250 2-strokes, and the 500's are in a different class.
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Eric Provenzano
2019 KTM 300 XCW TPI
2000 KTM 300 EXC (Son's)
2001 KTM 380 EXC
Sold 1991 KDX 200... fun play bike
Sold 1999 KX250
Sold 1999 YZ125 (son's)
Sold 2001 Yamaha TTL 125 (son's 1st bike)
Sold but never forgotten 1974 Honda Elsinore CR250M
Sold 1974 Honda Elsinore CR125