ASK THE MXPERTS: WE PROPOSE A NO FORMULA TWO-STROKE FORMULA

[Super Trucker]

I wouldn,t waste time and energy, trying to get a few more cc,s on a 2-st. for ama races. Only 3 or 4 guys would be on 2-st., it would still be a 4-st race. A new organization has to start a 2-st. series 125 and 250. Then you would have to add something like riding with the stars or ex cons  released from prison to race for there freedom haha. All  flaggers  are  prison guards with machine guns, prisoners are allowed to stab other riders in the corners. People are too broke to sit all day at a race, it better be something extra special for them to call in sick from working 7 days a week at 3 jobs.

[citabjockey]

CC for CC in 250 class would be fine. That is where we need to keep pushing.  If there was a pile of $$$ somewhere that could provide contingency award support for amateur riders in the A class to compete on 2T to bump up the numbers then the experts would take notice once the podiums were filled with 2T riders.

Going back to 125, 250, 500 is not going to happen. Ever.

We just need that pile of money.  Uh Huh.

[riffraff]

 So in the beginning, back in 1972, the AMA had 2 classes, 250 and 500. In 1974 they added the 125 class, which gave us 3 classes. In 1994 they discontinued the 500 class and we were back to 2 classes, 125 and 250. In 1997 they increased the allowable displacement capacity for four stroke engines, so we ended up having 250 4t's racing 125 2t's and 450 4t's racing 250 2t's. Then in 2006 and 2009 they renamed the 2 remaining classes and we end up with a 250 and a 450 class. So, all the AMA has to do is increase the allowable displacement capacity for two stroke engines much like they did in 1997 and add a 125 class like they did in 1974 and we'd all be happy.
 Oh yeah, from what I learned the AMA doesn't even own the AMA Motocross Series. In 2008, the AMA Pro Racing series was sold to the Daytona Motorsports Group.

[Stusmoke]

I hate to be the lone voice, but as much as it hurts me to say it - I disagree.

MX was in a decline long before the switch to 4$. Long gone were the days of 50k fans standing in the mud or dust. Gates were drying up faster than a desert wash. Anybody who was anybody was leaving the 500's behind and riding 250's.

There was a lot to share the blame; the economic model used to pay racers, reed induction and power valves, the explosion of other "extreme" sports, and the AMA/Honda Conspiracy, etc.

The point is, we shouldn't be living in the past (except us Vintage Riders) and thinking to the future. What makes sense to organize the sport into classes and divisions? The cylinder capacity obviously isn't correct.

In today's "greener" society, I propose an emissions based class system. Each moto would be limited to a fixed amount and type of fuel with a fixed carbon output. Faster classes would have more fuel and output. Truth is, it wouldn't change anything really. You'd still have the premier guys on 450 4$ or 300 2T and lap times would be unchanged, but the focus would be on something more relevant to the sheeple than the volume of yer jugs.

I can see where you're coming from with regards to the first bit about it being in a decline before the four stonks. Sometime in the 80's the American gas market peaked and prices went up I believe so that probably didn't help.

What would be wrong with going back to the original rules, 125, 250 and open class? The only displacement advantage would be in the open class and they're so powerful it doesn't matter, and the 125 class would be all 2 stroke 

x 1000.

This. This this this and this again. People with the money can ride their fag strokes all they want so long as we are given a fair shot at beating them. The 250 two strokes might grab the holeshot, but as the moto wears on they will make mistakes and the 250Fs will catch up. I think equal displacement is the way to go because two strokes may be faster, but you need to be in the gym about 3 hours each day to pull them through a long moto on a rough track. Four strokes require less dedication but arent as fast. So it all levels out because two strokes extra power tires you out more and the four strokes can be ridden just as hard for longer. It ends up being even. Roughly.

With regards to there ever being a 500 class again, it seems unlikely. My worn out Yz250 is still crazy fast, all the power a man could want.

[riffraff]

With regards to there ever being a 500 class again, it seems unlikely. My worn out Yz250 is still crazy fast, all the power a man could want.

 

It wouldn't be a 500cc only class, it would be 251cc to 500cc for 2t and 4t. That's where you're 300cc to 380cc 2 strokes and the big bore 250's would fit in. It worked in the 70's

[Uniflow]

Free for all, no cylinder limit, no cc limit, no stroke advantage ( two or four ). This would bring the crowds back! Perhaps if some cap was needed just limit amount of fuel per race. NOT electric though!

[citabjockey]

Why not electric? If someone could build a Ray-O-Vac motocrosser then why not let it run if there are no rules other than two wheels?

Free for all, no cylinder limit, no cc limit, no stroke advantage ( two or four ). This would bring the crowds back! Perhaps if some cap was needed just limit amount of fuel per race. NOT electric though!

[_X_]

i will throw rocks at the electric bicycle as it comes around.

[gpnewhouse7]

Just have a full open class and riders are split into their skill category.

By full open I mean everything on two wheels that has handlebars: Rotary, Diesel, Electric, Petrol, Methanol, etc.

[Stusmoke]

Why not electric? If someone could build a Ray-O-Vac motocrosser then why not let it run if there are no rules other than two wheels?

Free for all, no cylinder limit, no cc limit, no stroke advantage ( two or four ). This would bring the crowds back! Perhaps if some cap was needed just limit amount of fuel per race. NOT electric though!

I would rather eat my own scrotum than ride an electic dirtbike.

With regards to there ever being a 500 class again, it seems unlikely. My worn out Yz250 is still crazy fast, all the power a man could want.

 

It wouldn't be a 500cc only class, it would be 251cc to 500cc for 2t and 4t. That's where you're 300cc to 380cc 2 strokes and the big bore 250's would fit in. It worked in the 70's

Fair point there, and I would love to see an official YZ360 and I'd love to see KTM restart their 380 line.

[msambuco]

125
250
open

125 is support class and must be 16 to go 250. Minimum weight in 125 would drop to 180lbs. Schoolboy and college boy classes come back, strict age enforcement.

The 250 class would be just as Stusmoke described. The 125 would be all 2 stroke and young riders would learn good racing skills. Run a four stroke in this class, I dare ya. The open class would be dominated by the four strokes on average but any fast guy who could hang onto CR/KX 500 would be free to clean house. Open class should include 250's 4T and 2T as well. All the other size bikes would all have a class to ride in. Any age based class- run what ya brung. What say you?

[Uniflow]

Electric, is work of the devil !!!! I too might throw rocks. Rules would be, no batteries just long leads and spectators are allowed to use side cutters. I for one would pay to see that.

[Uniflow]

Opps, just too far Aye.

[GlennC]

Some goon was riding a zero electric bike on the local mountian bike trails, I was really tempted to go home and get my CR500 and clean him out... I didn't want to risk another ticket.

[riffraff]

125 is support class and must be 16 to go 250. Minimum weight in 125 would drop to 180lbs. Schoolboy and college boy classes come back, strict age enforcement.

I'm talking professional 125 races, no school boy, college boy or age limit. Open class should have a 500cc limit. It should be the same rules as the 70's.