2T for the win

[cnrcpla]

Turn the volume down for the fooper trooper march but crank it for the 250 2T and the rider opinions. Some really good points made, and some others that I don't agree with. But, it seems to have gotten really good reviews here over the 250f.

On a side note... Did I hear the transworld guy at the beginning say something like "word on the street is the AMA is going to change the rules for the 250cc national champ. series to allow the two strokes to race in the class." This video is from 2011, so what happened with that? I heard nothing about 250 2T's being allowed to race with the 250fs 

[citabjockey]

So at 4:40 did they cut away just as the 250 was about to pass the 250F???

[cnrcpla]

It sure looked that way... Oh well, we all know when it comes down to the bike the 250 can demolish the 250f with the right rider on it.

[TMKIWI]

They are closer then you guys realise.

[factoryX]

And that goes for the 450 as well.

[cnrcpla]

They are closer then you guys realise

Indeed, BUT if the same rider (Impartial to either engine) were to take a bone stock 250f and a bone stock 250 2T, it is my belief that said person would be happy on a 250 2T because of the extra power to weight ratio in comparison to a 250f. However, I do believe if that same person had ridden both at the end of the day when he/she is tired, than the 250f would be more favorable only because it is easier to ride. But keep in mind favorable isn't necessarily happy with. It just means it fits the job better at the particular point in time. Just my .02 though, I would imagine a 450f being equally exhausting because of its weight and lugging that around a track.

[Suzuki TS250/185]

This video is ancient. It was obviously made to associate a very unpopular, unhip and tragic character with two strokes. This is typical of Don Foopaeda and his Spamworld Mowercross magazine in general. Don't take any stock in it, or anything else from any Mowercross Press Puppet.

Don't get sucked in when the Mowercross Press says someting that's supposed to appear "Pro 2 Stroke" and then peppers it with a ton of ommissions, outright lies, half-truths or negative associations. One of the most effective ways to try to tarnish something is to start to talk, apparently on it's behalf, and then waffle and backpedal until you've done more harm than good. This is very common in the Foopercross and Mowercross press today becasue they are just puppets after all.

The whole Mowercross press is a hard sucking joke, hanging on the teet of the bike industry alongside the Gay-M-A, MX Sports, FIM and all those other clowns.

Both pro series are irrelavent garbage in thier present bloated and rotting condition.

The 2 stroke markets are growing larger. This is why new models are appearing, and companies who won't even homologate their 2 stroke motocross models for pro competition are selling out of them as quickly as they can produce them.

All hail the market!!! People aren't stupid!

[factoryX]

If most of these up and coming companies were allowed to race it would not only boost the diversity of bikes, it would eventually bring down the total cost. We honestly need to stop supporting self destructive Japanese companies at this point. Three things we need, lower gas prices, diversity, and unbiased racing. I'm sorry but it shouldn't cost $67 just for gas(5 gallon can and 10 gallons in the van) to go riding for one day, and I know it is worse for other countries at the moment, but right now our economy here in the states is comparable to Spain at this point.

[cnrcpla]

I don't buy TWMX anything anymore since the rise of the foopers, I don't like seeing people boast about how great they are when they are racing against bikes half their engine size. I posted it up because I thought the video came out just last year, and I didn't hear anything about a fair race, so I figured I would ask.

Hahaha Mowercross... 

[Suzuki TS250/185]

That's the problem, we'll probably NEVER hear anything about a fair race...

[cnrcpla]

Unfortunately we may not, but you never know, things happen.

[TMKIWI]

They are closer then you guys realise

Indeed, BUT if the same rider (Impartial to either engine) were to take a bone stock 250f and a bone stock 250 2T, it is my belief that said person would be happy on a 250 2T because of the extra power to weight ratio in comparison to a 250f. However, I do believe if that same person had ridden both at the end of the day when he/she is tired, than the 250f would be more favorable only because it is easier to ride. But keep in mind favorable isn't necessarily happy with. It just means it fits the job better at the particular point in time. Just my .02 though, I would imagine a 450f being equally exhausting because of its weight and lugging that around a track.

Horses for courses. I agree with you abit. It also comes down to, has he riden a 2 stroke.? For much of the younger generation that have not riden a 2 stroke since their mini days they may well be faster on a 250F then a 2 stroke. When it comes stock v stock even tho the 2 stroke has 10-12 more horsepower then the F it is all about turning that into traction. When you compare Pro racing there is nothing in it horspower wise and the 2 types of bikes are equal.
I would just like people to have the choice and not have it forced on us.
The beauty of having a choice is which bike could you race with 1/4 of the engine budget.?
Mitch knows.

Darryll King won our MX2 champs this year on a YZ250 with a PC engine. All the F riders had PC engines or similar.
DK's results were: 1-3-2-2-1-3-1-5-2-1-3-1.
So out of 12 races he won 5. Or to put it another way he was beaten 7 times by 4 strokes.
That shows what I believe is where the 250 2 stroke should race.

[factoryX]

But some of the lap times these 250f's were putting down were faster the 450's...

[TMKIWI]

But some of the lap times these 250f's were putting down were faster the 450's...

Yes true.
Same as the old days where 250's were lapping quicker then the 500's.

[cnrcpla]

It mostly comes down to the rider. I have been racing 2T all my life, so obviously throwing me on a 4T I would be putting down slower lap times than on my 250. Experience on the bike is a pretty big part too.