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Offline eprovenzano

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The tide is definatly changing back to the smokers
« on: September 07, 2012, 04:14:21 PM »
I went riding yesterday.  My riding buddy needed a new back tire, and since there is a shop on site with good prices he decided to let them mount the tire for him.  I struck up a conversation about the bikes in the shop, and the mechanics stated they have all switched to back two strokes, as they could not afford to maintain the strokers.  They said a $1,200 rebuild made it an easy decision to switch. 

While riding I noticed more smokers around. I asked a few and they started laughing that the potential cost of a major rebuild keeps them on smnokers.  In fact, all but one in their group was on smokers.  The lone stroker on a 250F just purchased his bike.  He just turned 20 and this was his 2nd bike, the 1st was a Honda 50...  He tried his buddies, but couldn't get used to the powerband. 

The tide is definitely changing.
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Offline chump6784

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 11:03:55 PM »
sure is. i was talking to my mechanic the other day and he asked how the bike went and then he commented on how everyone is getting back on two strokes and the tide is turning. i am just surprised it has taken so long
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 11:28:58 PM »
It would be amazing not to hear the farting noises of 4 strokes in the future :D
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 02:47:04 AM »
I prefer a big bore 2T so it's not cost keeping me on them. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 03:59:24 PM »
Are you saying that open class 2T is expensive? I would think keeping a CR/RM/YZ/KX 125 in top form would be much more expensive than a CR500. My yamaha WR500 never needed a rebuild in many years of enduro riding -- because it was always loafing. My somewhat-new-to-me KTM380 I bet is going to me similar....

I just hope a (successful) DI system finds its way onto bikes in the next few years or the 2T may truly die off eventually as all these "old" motocrossers continue to fall apart. And I can't picture a company keeping both 2T and 4T lineups up to date in parallel (read KTM/Husky/etc) over the long haul with such low profits on bike sales these days. I really believe DI, which would get the environmental regs off the 2T's back, is the only viable long term path.

Quote from: SachsGS on September 08, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
I prefer a big bore 2T so it's not cost keeping me on them. ;D
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 09:12:18 AM »
Quote from: citabjockey on September 08, 2012, 10:59:24 PM
Are you saying that open class 2T is expensive? I would think keeping a CR/RM/YZ/KX 125 in top form would be much more expensive than a CR500. My yamaha WR500 never needed a rebuild in many years of enduro riding -- because it was always loafing. My somewhat-new-to-me KTM380 I bet is going to me similar....

I just hope a (successful) DI system finds its way onto bikes in the next few years or the 2T may truly die off eventually as all these "old" motocrossers continue to fall apart. And I can't picture a company keeping both 2T and 4T lineups up to date in parallel (read KTM/Husky/etc) over the long haul with such low profits on bike sales these days. I really believe DI, which would get the environmental regs off the 2T's back, is the only viable long term path.

Quote from: SachsGS on September 08, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
I prefer a big bore 2T so it's not cost keeping me on them. ;D

It definitely is changing. And I'd bet my bottom dollar that those guys aren't just impressed with how cheap their new smoker is... They mustn't want to take their helmets off for a few days to try and hide that giddy grin of theirs :P
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 04:00:23 PM »
In the article it was stated that cost is driving people back to 2Ts, not me. The big bore Maicos that I ride are lighter and more powerful than the 4T$ and the Mahle pistons don't seem to wear out. As stated, I PREFER 2Ts, it's not a cost issue.

I was talking to my brother recently and he mentioned an article that he read where it was stated that over half of the new generation 4T$ produced since 2000 have blown up and are laying in the back of a shop or barn etc.. You can imagine the effect this will have on used dirt bike prices in the future as the supply dries up. :-X
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 01:22:47 PM »
Quote from: SachsGS on September 10, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
I was talking to my brother recently and he mentioned an article that he read where it was stated that over half of the new generation 4T$ produced since 2000 have blown up and are laying in the back of a shop or barn etc.. You can imagine the effect this will have on used dirt bike prices in the future as the supply dries up. :-X

The price of a used smoker is on the rise.  The supply is low, not enough MFG'ers, and we are hanging onto our used scoots, because they're inexpensive to maintain.  I'm alway's on the look out for a quality bike I can flip, smokers are gettiing harder to find.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 08:49:27 AM »
It's funny how things swing in roundabouts.
Back in the early 80's it was common to put XR/XT 250 motors into late 70's RM/YZ frames when their motors were blown.
Now we are doing the opposite for the same reason. :-*
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 06:36:31 AM »
Quote from: TMKIWI on September 12, 2012, 03:49:27 PM
It's funny how things swing in roundabouts.
Back in the early 80's it was common to put XR/XT 250 motors into late 70's RM/YZ frames when their motors were blown.
Now we are doing the opposite for the same reason. :-*

Hah. Yeah I guess thats true. Another 30 years and maybe people will be back on the four stroke thing and it'll all tick over again
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 08:35:19 PM »
When i put my RM for sale on bikesales.com.au (our version of craigslist) there were 9 RM 250's. I sold mine on saturday morning  :'( for $4200, advertised $4500 but the guy cant pick it up for 2 weeks so i am holding it for him. On wednesday had a guy ring and offer to put $4500 in my bank then and there, i told him the situation and he offered $4700 "if" the deal fell through, i told him i am not like that, i made a deal and i am sticking to it. About half an hour later he sends me a text offering $5000. Still not taking it though.

The best thing about it is that i paid $4500 for the bike 2 years ago
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 08:46:39 PM »
You're awesome for holding up your side of the bargain. Especially when someone offered you less than the listed price and can't pick it up for two weeks.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2012, 03:25:45 AM »
I was seriously thinking bout tellin the guy my ktm got stolen and I was keeping the rm but the missus wouldn't let me and the guy that offered 5 just sounded like a dick, I know my bike is going to a good home
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2012, 10:32:54 AM »
Quote from: chump6784 on September 20, 2012, 03:35:19 AM
When i put my RM for sale on bikesales.com.au (our version of craigslist) there were 9 RM 250's. I sold mine on saturday morning  :'( for $4200, advertised $4500 but the guy cant pick it up for 2 weeks so i am holding it for him. On wednesday had a guy ring and offer to put $4500 in my bank then and there, i told him the situation and he offered $4700 "if" the deal fell through, i told him i am not like that, i made a deal and i am sticking to it. About half an hour later he sends me a text offering $5000. Still not taking it though.

The best thing about it is that i paid $4500 for the bike 2 years ago

Thats what an Aussie is all about mate, good choice. Thats an awesome deal though, the value hasn't dropped a cent. It would've been down atleast 50% if it was an RMZ 250
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2012, 11:22:45 AM »
the guy that i sold it to lives about 10 hours away from me so he sent a mate over to look at the bike. That guy has 2 rmz 450's for sale and he has not had a call about them in months
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