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Offline VintageBlueSmoke

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« on: May 20, 2012, 12:02:13 PM »
Just cought the 1st moto of the MX2 race in Brasil this weekend and I have a few comments to get off my chest.

First of all, I have often said (and dreamed about) building a motocross track in a theme park, complete with groomed side lines, pathways, rides, junk stores, resturants, bars etc. My dream was to take Bush Gardens (Tampa) and put a motocross track weaving through the park. Spectators could go from Monkeys to triple to rollercoster, all the while eating ice cream and buying wax copies of their favorite animal or rider. BETO CARRERO World has done it!

Although not well. As with almost all artificial MX tracks, they used clay. It holds together, gets good traction and has little dust...however...it is slippery as pig s#@t when wet. That part of Brasil used to be Rain Forest. They trucked in 250 trucks of dirt an hour to elevate the track (like a road construction) 2 meters above the native ground but even so, it didn?t have millions of years to compact so when it rained, it became a mire.

Which leads me to my second comment. I will admit to only watchng the first moto but there was only one good rider out there. And he won. If it was a local enduro in SE&TRA, the B class would have passed the rest of them. Only 1 man was standing up on the pegs, the rest were paddling around like beginners. Tommy Searle is a motrcycle rider.

Which leads me to what I see wrong with motocross today (besides ineffectual rule makes and mafia'esc Eccelstone styled promoters). Motocross is no longer about riding and all about jumping. I admit my bravery level has gone down quite a bit but todays stars jump farther several times on each lap that Evel Knievel did at any time without rockets! Sure, some riders go on to successful off road carrers but I'd bet if you put GNCC AA riders on that track in Brasil, the results would have been much different.

OK, part of the problem is the World Championship format. Instead of the BEST RIDERS IN THE WORLD, each country is alotted 8 "slots" with additional "slots" for the hosting country. Flyaway events like Brasil have a hard time filling the gates and often use riders that wouldn't make the C class in CMC races in California. Especially since entry fees for the GP's are in the range of 1500 euro per event! However, I would have expected better riding and stamina from the "Professionals" in the top 20!


Sorry if there are spelling errors. My editor (spell checker) took the day off...
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2012, 01:26:17 PM »
Interesting read but I confess that once you mentioned Bernie Ecclestone (years ago I would have thought of F1)all I could think about was Tamara and Petra. http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/23/billionaire-heiress-petra-ecclestone-candy-spelling-mansion-yacht-tmz-on-tv/

I agree on the jumping part though as my bravery level has diminished at about the same rate as my brittleness factor has increased.
More old school MX tracks with the same moto format, length and track layout  like those from Hannah's and Magoo's day.That would be sweet. 8)
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2012, 01:56:49 PM »
Where are you watching these races?  :'(
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 04:18:16 PM »
I grew up in Tampa.  Did you know Annheiser pulled out of Busch Gardens and with it went the "Hospitality House"?

Besides, if you put a track there, Randy Yoho would have it shut down like he does everything that is within 100 miles of Dade Shitty.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 07:48:44 PM »
Quote from: VintageBlueSmoke on May 20, 2012, 07:02:13 PM
Only 1 man was standing up on the pegs, the rest were paddling around like beginners. Tommy Searle is a motrcycle rider.

Us brits are used to racing in the rain.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2012, 07:56:42 PM »
So are us Floridians. 




But we are even better in the sand, so, MXoN should be an easy weekend too.

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2012, 08:01:31 PM »
its obvious who's going to be our mxdn this year unless somebody gets hurt in the 450's

and our 250 class is as deep as ever, pretty sure we've got a good run at it again this year
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2012, 08:20:32 PM »
If Dungey and Stewart stay healthy, it'll be a clown session.   I can't wait for the MXoN this year, because many Euros swear that Lommel will be the place where the US goes down.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 09:35:12 PM »
I haven't seen the mxon for a few years but I'm thinking that our best chances of winning would be to pray for terrential rain and then have David Knight cruise around the track like its bone dry an he's racing a bunch of amateurs haha or alternatively put Searle on a 250 sx an that way we atleast get to show you americans what you should be riding.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 11:15:22 PM »
If Knighter enters, I would get worried with the rest of the USA, provided the track has logs, boulders and torrential rain.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 10:08:49 AM »
I watched the MX2 on Fuel or MotorsTV but I am in Portugal. I know you can find it online.

I had heard about AB and Busch Gardens. Family is still in St. Pete.

If you are in that area, go to Sunshine in Pinellas Park (or Clearwater - not sure of the city line). They have Thursday practice night for $10 plus regular races and the FLVMX series runs there (and Hard Rock!).

USA will doninate the MxdN. David Knight is the most awesome rider of his generation, but he doesn't stand a chance against the worlds top MX'ers on their turf. As I stated in the original post, the format (ceeding countries rather than letting the best riders in) limits the growth of the national riders. Imagine if only 2 riders from each state in the US could compete - 100 riders qualified down to 40 for the mains. That is kind of what goes on with the World Championship. The US National Series is much deeper in the number of riders, pays out more money (sponsorships, TV, etc) and thus draws the best riders from around the world. That Ups the game of the Americans so when we go to MxdN, we have a pretty good chance of running away with it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 01:30:37 PM »
Quote from: VintageBlueSmoke on May 22, 2012, 05:08:49 PM
I watched the MX2 on Fuel or MotorsTV but I am in Portugal. I know you can find it online.

I had heard about AB and Busch Gardens. Family is still in St. Pete.

If you are in that area, go to Sunshine in Pinellas Park (or Clearwater - not sure of the city line). They have Thursday practice night for $10 plus regular races and the FLVMX series runs there (and Hard Rock!).

USA will doninate the MxdN. David Knight is the most awesome rider of his generation, but he doesn't stand a chance against the worlds top MX'ers on their turf. As I stated in the original post, the format (ceeding countries rather than letting the best riders in) limits the growth of the national riders. Imagine if only 2 riders from each state in the US could compete - 100 riders qualified down to 40 for the mains. That is kind of what goes on with the World Championship. The US National Series is much deeper in the number of riders, pays out more money (sponsorships, TV, etc) and thus draws the best riders from around the world. That Ups the game of the Americans so when we go to MxdN, we have a pretty good chance of running away with it.

I used to race at Sunshine all the time.  Ronny Tichenor used to hang out with us there.  Notice how Tomac came out firing this SX season, like a whole new beast?  Because he hired Ronny in the off-season. 

He used to tell stories about when he rode for factory Suzuki in Japan in 92-93, Kevin Schwantz making 180mph passes in the parking lot behind the shop on his 500. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 01:45:49 PM »
I have not talked to Ronny in many-many years. Probably not since Van Wagoner's death! (wow, been awhile) My brother still sees him though and I hear he has an MX school now and his Dad sold the dealership and retired.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 02:06:43 PM »
Quote from: VintageBlueSmoke on May 22, 2012, 08:45:49 PM
I have not talked to Ronny in many-many years. Probably not since Van Wagoner's death! (wow, been awhile) My brother still sees him though and I hear he has an MX school now and his Dad sold the dealership and retired.

not much has changed, his old lady still runs Bent Frame clothing and he has been training pros for 7-8 years.

he trained Chad Reed and still does I believe.  Tim Ferry.  and his newest pupil is Eli Tomac and it shows.  He told me when he trained Chad Reed, he couldn't even talk to the guy.  He would tell Chad's mechanic, and the mechanic would go tell Chad.

Someone posted a photo of Eli Tomac doing that huge nose wheelie into one of the turns in Seattle and I saw someone say "If you are one of RT's riders, that's how you better be going into turns!"

Check this out....

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