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RIP AMA National Series???
« on: March 24, 2010, 05:26:36 AM »
Just saw this on the MXA site, scroll down to the "Post Dallas Rumor Mongering" paragraph.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod=News&mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&tier=3&nid=3E4A63515945494884
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 07:54:11 PM »
I'm going to try to fix the link you have (it's not working!) but have copied and pasted the part that pertains to the Nationals below.

ARE THE 2010 NATIONALS IN TROUBLE?

As shocking as it sounds, with less than sixty days to go until the first round of the AMA National kick-off at Hangtown, it sounds like there is at least a 50/50 chance that the first two rounds (plus round #9 at Washougal) might not run. The source of the rumors has been factory team managers (who have been telling everyone the rumor--which, you must assume, they get from the sanctioning body).

Crazy, unbelievable, frightening, but true! As of the Dallas Supercross, the race promoters of Hangtown, Glen Helen and Washougal are all at steep odds with MX Sports over accountability, contract length, rights, back gate ticket sales and just about anything else you can think of. Right now it's apparently in the hands of the lawyers. And according to reports, the tracks and sanctioning body aren't budging. How scary is that? The people who really know (and that includes MXA's Jody Weisel and MX Sports' Davey Coombs) aren't talking.

Word on the street is that as an alternative to the hilly Glen Helen round, MX Sports is considering running at the National at the flat Pala Raceway near Rainbow, California. No other optional venues for rounds # 1 and 9 have been mentioned.

Speaking of venue changes, last season's talk of the U.S. Open Supercross going away completely has been altered and now there's talk of it simply moving to the same Sam Boyd stadium where the final round of the AMA/Monster Energy series is currently held.

And yeah, we also heard that Mike Alessi has split from KTM, but no real word on that one.
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 08:29:48 PM »
Additional News.....

Taken from motocrossactionmag.com:



Dear MXA,
I have heard all the rumors and I know that Jody knows the answers to all the question about the Glen Helen National. Will There be a Glen Helen National this year?
2010 GLEN HELEN NATIONAL: OFFICIAL STATEMENT
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 08:33:02 PM »
Strangely, this post came from Davey Coombs on Vital MX... BEFORE the above statement.... This was in response to a post similar to the one at the top of the page. Kind of makes you go hmmmmm.

That's honestly ridiculous, WORCSracer. Someone is out there spreading some doom and gloom... The only real issues are over length of contract extension and some general improvements with one facility; hopefully it will be resolved soon.

MX Sports is fully committed to motocross on the west coast and specifically in Southern California. See you May 22 at Hangtown.

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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 02:58:34 PM »
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See you May 22 at Hangtown.
I guess DC didn't get the word about no Hangtown either.
This situation is troubling to say the least.

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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 06:22:28 PM »
www.glenhelen.com.

Please stay tuned to www.allisports.com for updates and additional information on the series.
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 06:37:07 PM »
The should hire Jody and let DC go.  :P Glenn Helen is Motocross. Now we need a 2 stroke major event there!When AMA will ever learn? :o unfriggin unbelievable! Pro Racing is just a damn joke.
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 07:58:26 PM »
If the Hammer & Tongs vintage race happened at Washougal, but the AMA National didn't, I would laugh so hard.  With that said, it's still TBA on whether H&T is doing Washougal this year or not.  Last year it was a little... uh... wet.  It was only muddy the first day, but that's the day they do short-travel bikes, unfortunately.

"Mud Stuck" - Vintage Motocross. Hammer and Tongs Series. Washougal.


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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 06:52:28 AM »
Here is Jody's take on the situation from MXA Online.

MX SPORTS & THE GLEN HELEN NATIONAL DEBACLE:
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 08:59:19 AM »
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From my understanding the Hangtown and Washougal rounds were rumors. Do you have differing information?
I don't have any info on Washougal but my understanding is the Dirt Diggers (club that puts on the
Hangtown event) and MX Sport haven't reached an agreement yet.  Since this is heresay, better
still classify this as a rumour.

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No one conspired to ruin the sport.
That may be true, but the loss of one of the premier tracks and facilities because of the short
sightedness of the promoter goes a long way in accomplishing that.  I can't think of another
track in SoCal that can rival Glen Helen.  In my opinion. any other track will be a step down
for the racers and the fans.

If the rumours about the loss of the other tracks (prime facilities with long histories) prove to be
true, it should serve as a wake up call to the fans.  Change may be inevitable, and sometimes
change is for the good, but I don't think that's the case here. 

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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 12:04:18 PM »
dogger315 you're assessment is appreciated...

Personally I don't know what the deal is, just that there is more information to come. We may find out that it was just one of those things, or maybe something else.

For those who are following along, here is a response that Davey Coombs made on the MXA site,

DAVEY COOMBS RESPONDS AND STATES HIS CASE

By Davey Coombs

   I can't argue with Jody's bottom line on this whole conundrum: it was a difference in length of the term, that neither side could get past. I continue to respect and appreciate what he does for the sport, and I hope we will continue to work together (though admittedly sometimes in different directions) to help the sport grow. I count on his opinion, his knowledge and his passion for motocross.

    There are a couple of things that have been posted (on internet chat rooms) that are not accurate, or at least there's more to explain....

    Both Pennsylvania tracks got one-year deals; I just did not make that clear in the earlier post. And yes, the plan is to move one to the Southeast in 2011. The other one has some work to do if it's going to remain.

    There are no automobile tracks on the schedule, and there will never be one with more than 35,000 seats because that makes it a Supercross, as defined by the AMA's contract with the Supercross series. But a place like Barber Motorsports in Alabama would be a great location (and it's a motorcycle track, first and foremost).

    "Proximity to Los Angeles" doesn't have a thing to do with TV production or budgets. Speed is located in Charlotte, NC, NBC is in New York City, and the folks who film the races are from all over the map. The cost is the same -- many, many times more expensive than I ever thought it would be.

    As far as smoother tracks go, we're always damned if we do, damned if we don't. People get hurt, and everyone complains the tracks are too rough and dangerous. Smooth it out, people complain the tracks are too fast and dangerous. Bikes are so much different and more powerful than they used to be, and the stakes much higher for today's top riders. There is a sweet spot in there somewhere -- Thunder Valley was too smooth for the first motos, perfect for the second. Jake Weimer said Red Bud was rougher than he's ever seen it, and he won (that was the race where Ryan Dungey somehow endoed on a banked turn). Anyone who's ridden Loretta Lynn's knows how well a track that is both rough and groomed can be for racing....

   And for the record, there is no deal with Pala Raceway or anyone else at this time. I have never stayed at Pala Resort, I have never gambled there, and I have never ridden there, but I have been there twice. It has a lot of potential, just like Glen Helen, Honey Lake, Competitive Edge and a few other California tracks. (And if you're keeping score at home, in the two years I have also been to Barber, three different tracks in Georgia, two ski resorts in Utah, a large park in North Carolina, Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, CA, Arizona Cycle Park, and I am headed to Camp Woodward in central Pennsylvania soon, as well as another place in North Carolina and one in South Carolina).

    From here, we have to move on. We have a series coming up and a lot of very good tracks and riders, not to mention the fans and our industry, expect a quality championship. I plan to deliver. And for anyone who doesn't think I put the sport of motocross first and foremost, come out to the races and work alongside me for the weekend. If that doesn't change your mind, nothing will. But at least you will see a good race, and I will have someone to help us get the job done.

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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 06:44:29 PM »
This is all bad stuff but I will not be upset if Birmingham AL gets a national. I live in FL and there is nothing close to us. Supercross DOES NOT COUNT. Nothing beats being next to the fence whereever you want to watch. Used to be Gatorback was the opener but that was before my time. Like I said this is bad stuff but if it means my 9 and 11 year olds get to see a National I am OK. Add it to the 2 stroke series or better yet see project Two 50 crack the top ten or five and I will personally clean Mikes bike (regardless of results). You can take that to the bank because we will be there. Duco.
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 09:28:50 AM »
All we need is a new racing organization. I don't want the sport to grow for now, I just want it better with fair rules and challenging tracks. Go back to basics... Fuck the T.V. and the medias. An all privateers underground racing organization will do the job where Maico..TM can compete!
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 02:57:56 PM »
All we need is a new racing organization. I don't want the sport to grow for now, I just want it better with fair rules and challenging tracks. Go back to basics... Fuck the T.V. and the medias. An all privateers underground racing organization will do the job where Maico..TM can compete!


A set up wherein Maico and TM can be competitive?I gathered from your post you didn't want smooth,easy tracks ;D J/K,

This sucks,I always loved Glen Helen.
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Re: RIP AMA National Series???
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 01:26:19 PM »
Screw AMA and their stupid rules and the way they do things...We are in 2010 and the sport is getting worst every year. I am so over Pro Racing. Fuck them!
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