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Offline Coop

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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 11:47:14 AM »
Quote from: twosmoke595 on April 10, 2012, 02:36:40 AM
14 is about what that thing is worth to begin with, what i always do is go to kellybluebook .com and price the bikes from there

like go to retail price on what a new 2000 kdx would be right now on the showroom and then knock at least a couple hundy off of that price

I am not sure where you are from, but in this area of the country bikes seem to all be over priced and they still sell. I seldom, if ever, see a bike actually listed near a KBB value and trying to use that value to get the seller to come down only works if they are desperate for cash. I have no idea why in a region where we lose so many months of riding to winter that bikes prices are so high, but that's how it is.
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2012, 02:13:24 PM »
Back to the original question -  ;D  it seems that the KDX is the way to go.  Look around, deals can be had.
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 04:22:49 PM »
On your find, The KX fork "upgrade" is only an upgrade if the fork is from a 2002 up. And rarely, if ever, is the stock KX fork spring rate going to co inside with the stock KDX shock spring rate, nor will the valving at either end. You're going to have to find a suspension guy that really knows his shit to balance that thing out.
Also, you may be getting snookered on the OS tank, the stocker holds almost 3 gallons. IMS does make one that holds 3.4 and comes with it's own shrouds, here's a link to a pic of it
http://www.imsproducts.com/Backgrounds/110shadow.png
My buddy's KDX220 will get about 80 miles on the stock tank, and that's at race pace.


It sounds like a good find, just make sure you get the stock parts with it in the deal.
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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2012, 09:43:47 PM »
Quote from: MyckMcClung on April 10, 2012, 11:22:49 PM
On your find, The KX fork "upgrade" is only an upgrade if the fork is from a 2002 up.

 ???, 46mm kyb's are definitely an upgrade on the KDX.
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2012, 12:52:11 AM »
I put KLX 300 forks on my KDX, and despite people telling me that it would be no better, it was definitely an upgrade.
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2012, 01:04:12 AM »
USD's in general are an upgrade as they stay planted better at speed, and have less under hang on the forks. But with the klx300 forks internally they are the same as KDX forks, and at that point since your not hauling as on it, it would be kind of pointless. Another great fork swap for any trail bike are the 49mm showa's off the drz400 or rm125/250.
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2012, 04:43:17 AM »
This one is like mine, but a lot nicer   ;D 



this one's on CL for $995
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2012, 01:36:05 PM »
Quote from: factoryX on April 11, 2012, 08:04:12 AM
But with the klx300 forks internally they are the same as KDX forks, and at that point since your not hauling as on it, it would be kind of pointless.

So are you telling me it was a pointless swap too?
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 02:00:23 PM »
my point to the fork upgrade statement I made was that you can put a better fork on the bike, but you're gonna have to re spring and revalve both ends to get it to work right, so the swap in itself is not really an upgrade.
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2012, 04:06:20 PM »
Which most people do with every bike they pick up. You're going to have to revalve/respring with the 48mm kyb's as well.
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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2012, 05:05:32 AM »
Hey, I own a 200 exc. Its my first full size bike even though I'm 24. I have had it for a year now and have had nothing but great riding from it. I assume parts for a ktm may be a little more expensive but for what you get I have no complaints at all.
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2012, 12:56:07 PM »
Quote from: MyckMcClung on April 11, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
my point to the fork upgrade statement I made was that you can put a better fork on the bike, but you're gonna have to re spring and revalve both ends to get it to work right, so the swap in itself is not really an upgrade.

I'll assume you're not all that familiar with the KDX. It's horribly unbalanced from the factory, with the rear spring and valving being good for a rider up to about 180-200lbs, while the forks are sprung for riders up to about 125lbs and soft as hell, with no rebound adjustment. Not sure why they did that, but most USD fork swaps get you closer to right than the factory setup. If it had the stock forks, new springs would be needed at a minimum, regardless. So yes, the fork swap is definitely an "upgrade". I guess Kawi was thinking about this being an entry level trail bike and ridden slowly by most riders, so they made the front forks as soft and plush as possible. I don't know.
 



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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2012, 05:55:33 PM »
Actually I am very familiar with the KDX, although I don't own one myself, my bestest buddy and riding compadre does own an 04 KDX220, and i have ridden it many times from brand new off the showroom to it's current heavily modified state. I also have had the opportunity to ride a 90 something KDX250 that had the Blue inverted KYBs stock. They were crap too but sprung better than the stock KDX forks. I agree that the excessive underhanging outer fork legs can be problematic in rocky envirornments, in NW Florida they don't pose a problem. either way He had his suspension revalved with Race Tech valve emulators and sprung for a 180lb rider. I took it for a spin, and at that very moment wished that I too had bought the KDX220 instead of my KX250 and just had the suspension done and added a Vforce reed block, fmf gnarly and Q, ands a set of Dunlop MX31s.It would have saved me $2000 in mods I made to my KX250 to accomplish the same thing. But in all honesty, my KX will destroy that KDX, but his KDX sure is fun to ride and way better than it was stock.

But like I was saying about the upgrade...
Yes: an inverted fork is a more modern design and more adjustable, the spring rate from any KX is probably closer to the shock on the KDX

 price though is what I'm debating

Stock KDX revalve with valve emulators and springs cost him $550

set of KX forks with clamps and a front wheel used on ebay will run about $400-500+, then the revalvin to match up both ends another $300+/-

So really I suppose it's one of those "eyes of the beholder" things
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2012, 12:25:40 AM »
I wouldn't even do it to the stock forks. These bastards flex all over the place. Its not uncommon to bend them either. A nickname for these forks is "Spaghetti Forks."
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2012, 03:31:12 PM »
Gas Gas 200? Very similar to the KDX but higher spec. parts.
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