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Maico's we have had
« on: December 05, 2009, 09:53:26 PM »
JETZcorp you should enjoy this topic. All info that follows is as best as I can remember without pulling out old bill of sales, race entry forms etc... I truly cannot remember how many M/C's i have owned over the years( I know it's in the hundreds). Oh well here goes! Wayyyyyy back in late 1978, early1979 I bought my first Maico, a 1977 AW 400. This was the last of the "coffin" tanks. Kinda ironic since at the time my first sponsor was a funeral home(my folks were part owners). I raced this bike very sucessfully until 1980 when I bought a 1979 Magnum 2( I paid $650.00). I raced this one until 1982.This was one of the best M/C'S I have owned. Then I moved over to a CAN-AM for a few years. I didn't own a Maico again until 1994. I then traded a guy my new KX500 for a 1994 Maico MC500,and a 1986 M-STAR 500. The 1994 ergos are still current looking today. Move on to 1995. I found a 1983 490, and 1974.5 450. The 1983 had to be the trickest one of all. It had a works 500cc cylinder, Wheelsmith pipe, Ohlin's shock, and White Power USD forks & disk brake up front. This is the one I regret selling the most. It was a one of a kind. I raced this bike at Lake Witney Texas in the open class against watercooled KX,and CR 500's. In one moto I pulled the holeshot by roughly 7-8 bike lenghts( the start straight is almost a football field long). I think I ended up 3rd or 4th overall. This is a testament to just how good Maico's are. I for one am VERY excited about the new Maico's. This could be the perfect time for them to get back into the U.S. market. I am sure I can make room in the garage for a new one.

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 01:27:10 AM »
I've never owned one.  I've had a Suzuki (JR50), a Yamaha (GT80), a Kawasaki (The 120!), and a Husqvarna (250CR) but never a Maico.  The newest bike on that list is the JR50, which was an '85 or something I think.  The oldest is the 120 coming in at '67.

My dad, on the other hand, has owned many.  He still owns many.  I think I have them all down, but I might be missing one from back in the day before I was born.  I'll list them in the order I think he got them.

1973 (I think) Maico 450
This was the bike that showed him what the world could be like with over 400cc of balls to work with.  For most desert roads it was the best-handling bike he's ever owned, and could be put in a powerslide wherever you wanted, for however long you wanted.  When riding to the local track, you were supposed to walk your bike.  He did what everyone else did and rode side-saddle on the sidewalk.  But, inevitably he'd end up passing cars in high gear with the engine a touch off idle and legs casually swinging over the side as the bike hit about 45.  Bike was sold after two years.

1977 Maico AW250
After going a long time without really having a bike to ride, he picked up a ratty AW250 from a dude he knew.  This in the '80s and getting parts for a Maico was a very high-cost proposition, so the bike was always fairly ill-maintained.  It still has a giant '75 cylinder with MASSIVE fins that just barely keep from touching the wheelsmith pipe.  This particular bike was tuned by a fairly high-level racing expert to be his dedicated racing machine, so it performs a bit differently from other AW250s.  The points were always messed up and odd things were wrong with it, and he was constantly riding with CR500s and YZ490s and such, making the already needle-thin powerband (caused by the points) feel even worse.  Right around the 2000 time period, we finally had enough money to keep 'er in good shape, and after some hassle with lots of bad bearings, it now runs beautifully.  He says you ride the AW like you ride a unicycle - put the front wheel where you want it and the rear will take care of itself perfectly.  It still doesn't have nearly the low-end of, say, my Husky, but I can report that the power comes on very smooth compared to the 250CR and it gets my vote for best-looking bike in the garage.  "Big Red" was the official bike of the 2008 riding season.

1981 Maico 490
This is the only museum piece between the two of us.  A lot of guys will tell you their 490 is "good as stock" but this one is the real deal.  It's been ridden three times since it rolled of the line in Pfaffingen and still sports all stock plastics, graphics, wheels, tires, seat, etc.  Really, the only thing that's not stock is the swing-arm, which is a rare and highly-demanded aftermarket piece that was available and well regarded in the period.  He picked it up for $2500 sometime around... maybe 2003 or something.  Today, given their popularity and the rarity of some of the pieces on this bike, it would sell for gigantically more.

1978 Maico 440
When he got this bike, it looked horrible but really just needed cosmetic changes.  Picked up for $1500, the tank was stripped of paint and left silver with the '79 tank graphics put on.  Frame was painted black and the whole thing was gone over thoroughly.  This bike was used by a VDR (Vintage Dirt Racing) series champion at Woodland, which is a track known for being muddy (it's a fall-winter-spring series).  Thus, it's got a great big mud fender on the front.  It's got the award for hardest clutch pull in the garage, and is the only bike with 21st century Renthal bars.  It runs beautifully but is very hard to start because the Bing carb is set weirdly.  If it can be made to start more easily, it will be the best "do anything" bike in the collection.

1986 M-Star 500
This is a beast.  It receives the award for newest bike in the garage, and fastest non-museum bike in the garage (we don't know how fast the 490 is because we've never started it.)  Other riders think it won't rev out, because when they ride next to it, it's always plodding along at a billion miles per hour in high gear.  All graphics are non-stock, including German flag colors, a Sand-Spider with red M, and ye olde Maico badge.  This is my least-favorite Maico because I don't like the mid-late '80s style, and this bike's aesthetic personality is 100% CR500.  Blue seat on a red bike, how original.

1981 Maico 250
This is the most "trick" bike in the collection and is only used on days when there damn well isn't going to be any mud.  It was set up by "Maico Dave" and has Excel rims, chrome pipe, new fenders front and rear, new swingarm, new ignition cover, and a bunch of other such things.  Dad took the stock plastic tank off and put a skinny aluminum GP coffin tank on with simple ye olde Maico badges.  It makes the bike look 20ft tall.  This 250 is so good that it out-runs my uncles '81 Husky 430 on any road that's got any turns to it at all, and wins our award for best 250 ever made.  It is historic in that it's the first model Maico ever put a reed valve on.

Here's the South half of the garage, where all the Maicos are.  You can also see the [street legal] Husky 360 in the foreground, and beneath the frame is a '79 Harley Sportster.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 01:30:35 AM by JETZcorp »


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 05:18:29 AM »
I never owned a Maico but got to race against them and to ride a few.

The first one I rode was in the late 1970's, it was a 400 Adolf Weil Replica. It was a great machine, handled nicely, had a great engine and was one of the first machines with long travel suspension in the rear. It was super fun, twist the throttle and go!

I was looking for a photo of one on the internet and found this write up on a newer one that I thought you guys might like to see. It's from Rick Seimen (Super Hunky) of Dirt Bike magazine fame.

By the way for you younger guys that want to really learn about what it was like "back in the day" I highly recommend Ricks book "Monkey Butt." He was around at the very beginning of the dirt bike craze in America and was a part of the reason it became so very big.

http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/Tech:+Vintage/Ricks-Vintage-Garage-Queen/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/633353
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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 08:44:22 AM »
1972 square barrel 250 and use to ride a friends 400 sq. barrel a bit.

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 01:41:56 AM »
Holy Balls.  John, I was reading that article for the first time... yesterday.

Also, I'm pretty sure that's not newer than the one you rode, because it's a '76 which was the first year for the Adolf Weil models (which went from '76 to '77.)  Both years were virtually identical in all things that mattered, but the '77 brought in the "new" Maico with red paint, gigantic plastic rear fender (because people complained about mud - problem solved).  For a long time they made very raw, industrial bikes that were meant to sell purely on their capability, but they realized that Joe Public wanted red paint and lightning bolts.

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Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 05:38:11 AM »
The reason that I was unsure of the year is because the bike I rode had an aluminum tank and white fenders (?). It must have been around 1976, but the exact dates seem to escape me!
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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 04:25:48 PM »
I had a 1979 Maico 250 with 17 1/2" Fox air shocks. I was in love with that bike and I still am. Sold it to buy a 1982 Honda cr250,nice bike but not the Maico. If I could only go back 35 years and do it all over! Just dreaming.
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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 05:03:23 PM »
I tried the Fox shocks on my 77',I never could make them work right. Went back to Works Performance on that bike. My 79' had Ohlin's. Some of my most favorite memories are from this bike. This is a little off topic. One time at Howerton's old track I had signed up for open-int. on this bike. The class was combined with the experts(at the time I was a mid-pac int.). Well the gate dropped and off we went. I went into the first corner in 2nd, I was soon passed by a verrrry fast guy. I wicked it up and got on his rear fender. We soon passed the leader, and began gapping everybody. I was just following him and doing the same thing he was. Man this guy was fast. All of a sudden I looked around and thought " You don't know how to go this fast". Next thing I knew I was on the ground. Sometimes it's better not to think to hard. Maybe I should start a new thread.

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 05:47:15 PM »
Hey AFG - the same thing happened to me!!

I was at Englishtown in New Jersey racing along on my super-fast (sarcasm alert!!!) YZ100, when a flash of red passed me, I thought, hey lets see if I can keep up. So I just followed the guy, going really deep into the corners and on the gas hard.

No you couldn't say that I stayed with him for more then 5 or 6 corners, but when I finally got to see who it was I was shocked. It was Maico mounted Ken Adams, a pretty fast semi-pro racer at the time.

That experience taught me that I was fast enough to be an expert. It was totally awesome!
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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 07:35:00 PM »
That reminds me of one of Super Hunky's stories.  It's the only one on YouTube, conveniently.

Super Hunky Story


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 05:31:25 PM »
Super Hunky is a real character!! Thanks for the awesome video.

Since we're on a Maico themed thread here have you checked out this site?

http://www.maicomotorcycles.com/restorations.htm

Take a look at this a 1957 Maico 250..... nice!

http://www.maicomotorcycles.com/1957_maico_250_iron_barrel.htm
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Re: Maico's we have had
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2009, 11:31:00 AM »
Man, either someone's mistaken about the year on that, or the didn't change much in a long time.  Those cases Look identical to 1970 cases.  I would really like to get my hands on it, though, because I see a lot of 120 in it.  Aluminum fenders FTW.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 04:40:10 PM »
Great story! Don't think the big 4 don't hate that when it happens. And it did. A lot.

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 09:21:04 PM »
Well, he was talking about a race in the old days against a bunch of other open two-strokes.  In those days, one talked about the Big Three of Husqvarna, CZ, and Maico (though Suzuki was getting big at this time with Joel Robert and Roger DeCoster, Honda was all over the schoolyard chatter, and Yamaha was rising.  Kawasaki was also rising but not so much.)  But of course, Maico was the holeshot King until 1980 when the YZ465 took away the 440 Maico's crown.  In 1981, Maico got it back with the 490.  I believe the title of the Dirt Bike Magazine article was, "Maico 490: Guaranteed Holeshot."  Though I suppose the KTM 495 was up in that territory, too, as it had more power in top-end (and less down-low.)  That, kids, is how the 500 bikes got started.  Before that, everyone was making 400cc (or 440 in Maico's case) machines.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 08:19:21 AM »
Maico had a 501 (I forget the year).

I was talking about what happened after the Japanese took over the AMA, and cooked the rule book. This literally forced small market European manufacturers out of business.

If the General will give me the space, I may write about my thoughts on the AMA, 2 strokes and the situation we are now in. As my friends would say...I just see things differently :o

Since this is the Generals house, it's the Generals rules. Before he posts ANYTHING I write (outside of this forum), he pre-reads it all. And on that topic, I may not make the cut.