Not to go way back on your posts, but Pro Taper has not impressed me either. After putting a brand new set of grips on my bike and having them rip while being installed, I called them. They wanted me to ship them the grips to see if it was a defect. So I would have to pay $5-6 shipping wait for an answer, then wait for new grips all for a $8 pair of grips. Hmmm awesome customer service. Guess my phone call and the offer to send pics werent enough.