The insiders say they don't want 2 strokes back?

[miedosoracing]

That was the message told to us last year. But why is it, at every chance, retired riders like Langston, Mcgrath all say they would like to see them again. PC Mitch basically said it in the video. DV and Motoconcepts are running one. So who exactly is saying they don't want them? So when they say, we asked around the pits, does that mean, OEM's are the only one's in the pits now?  LOL

[burn1986]

Well, that's a good question. It would be good to get an interview with Davey Coombs and Jeff Crowther (I believe he's the AMA guy over SX) and see what their view is. IMO everyone else other than these 2 guys and the Big 4 want them.

[ACMX]

Well granted, there are a few racers out there that really do prefer the easy rolling power of a four stroke instead of a snappy two stroke. But that is very few. If we let them all loose on 2strokes just think how many would go and buy a smoker for themselves.

[Suzuki TS250/185]

The difference between the two is really very easy to understand.

If you are good enough, you can make a nice living poo-ing around on a Foo-Booper...

Conversly, no matter how good you are you CAN'T make a living on a 2 stroke because no one will pay you to ride one.

The Factories know that the 2 Strokes are selling uphill these days, with almost NO promotion.

In their view, they have to keep pro racing 100% 4 stroke to have any prayer of continued market dominance, and it's withering away even as things stand now.

Thanks,

Jim

[snook620]

I thought the whole 4 stroke evolution came from California going to stricter emission laws?

99% of all serious racers will pick a 4 stroke over a 2 simply because its easier to go fast on. A two stroke doesnt have gobbs of smooth power and traction like a well put together 4 stroke. The unfair displacement rules dont help either. Im a 2 stroke guy untill I die but Ill also always be a racer, I look at it both ways.

[westsiderippa]

"The unfair displacement rules dont help either"

ameture rules are 250 vs 250 so that excuse is out..... unless you race vet class then its anything goes, so bring your 5 hundo and get it on.

[snook620]

"The unfair displacement rules dont help either"

ameture rules are 250 vs 250 so that excuse is out..... unless you race vet class then its anything goes, so bring your 5 hundo and get it on.

Im talking about pro level AMA racing per the origional post.

[burn1986]

Good point Suzuki TS. You would think the factories would be "business-wise" instead of "pride-wise", and begin putting pressure on the AMA to make a 2-stroke change. We've already know they are making two-stroke machines and exporting them to other countries for street and off-road use(Not just Yamaha and Suzuki. I'll bet Honda is too). I think we all could imagine the impact of the AMA allowing the 2-stroke change in the petition and the Big 4 making 150 and 300 2-strokes. However, I'm beginning to wonder if the best class change wouldn't be 125, 250, and Open, like before. It seems more people want the 125s and 250s more than the 150 and the 300. This would also fit in with Europe's championship, and Australia's.

Kind of off the subject, but check out Villopoto's KX250 - http://www.mobypicture.com/user/ryan_villopoto2/view/6330462

[SachsGS]

I'm quite certain a direct injected two stroke could be as smooth as a 4stk powerwise.With some luck maybe we will see one in 2011.

[SwapperMX]

Good point Suzuki TS. You would think the factories would be "business-wise" instead of "pride-wise", and begin putting pressure on the AMA to make a 2-stroke change. We've already know they are making two-stroke machines and exporting them to other countries for street and off-road use(Not just Yamaha and Suzuki. I'll bet Honda is too). I think we all could imagine the impact of the AMA allowing the 2-stroke change in the petition and the Big 4 making 150 and 300 2-strokes. However, I'm beginning to wonder if the best class change wouldn't be 125, 250, and Open, like before. It seems more people want the 125s and 250s more than the 150 and the 300. This would also fit in with Europe's championship, and Australia's.

Kind of off the subject, but check out Villopoto's KX250 - http://www.mobypicture.com/user/ryan_villopoto2/view/6330462

Yeah, I agree, it should be three classes again, and back to the roots of motocross. A 125 class, a 250 class, and an open class. This would best suit everyone, and continues with the traditional capacity sized racing. In my opinion, tradition within sport is vital to boost the sport's reputation and continue to grow the sport. This doesn't seem to matter at the moment with the decision makers.

[burn1986]

You know, if the AMA would just allow a 125 class, this would at least bring us in line with the FIM. I have no doubt that the could find plenty of sponsors, especially if they relaxed the homologation rules for this class.