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Offline miedosoracing

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« on: October 13, 2010, 07:28:54 AM »
So here's what I've been thinking, all written down by Chad Reed on his twitter: "About the 350 I only rode my lil cousins stock one so tough to say....loved the frame makes me really miss the good old steel frames alloy is a nightmare without goose and RD....overall thoughts are it's much closer to a lites bike than a 450 IMO. My aus CRF450 only has a PC pipe and comparing the 2 I would of bet the bank that I was on a 250F if I didn't know better...."

So here's what really should happen. The 450 isn't going anywhere, the 250F blows, so do this ProAMA>  150cc 2 stroke class.  250 2 stroke vs 350F, and then open class, run what you brung.  Then, make the sound level quiet.  Sounds too perfect or intelligent though. Will never happen.
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Re: 350
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 07:56:45 AM »
there's gotta be a no-holds-barred test between the KTM 250SX and the 350SX-F. It's still not a fair fight but i bet the 250 would shred the 350

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Re: 350
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 11:19:29 AM »
This is the best idea I've heard. This would emcompass all. Man, if only we could convince everyone involved that this was an ideal situation. I can't believe that know one else in the AMA and promotors wouldn't want this, or some equivalent.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 12:13:36 PM »
Well, theoretically, if the noise were knocked down, we could run the 150 2 strokes against the 250Fs even because those bikes would really feel the power loss with lower sound limits.
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Re: 350
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 12:21:50 PM »
I have said it before but 250F's need factory rev limiters set much lower.
The result ?
1) The bikes will be slower.
2) The bikes will be more reliable. Much less handgrenading.
3) The bikes will be quieter.
4) The big one. 125's/150's will be on an even footing.
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Re: 350
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2010, 11:18:37 AM »
I have a great one, how about proper sized pistons, oh wait there goes all the power.. ;D


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Re: 350
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2010, 05:41:38 PM »
I'm not going to just say this once.  We should not, repeat, NOT try to gain an advantage over the four-strokes by imposing rules and limits to keep them down.  If sound limits are imposed, it should purely be a noise pollution issue.  The second you start talking about using a rule like that to slow down your competition, you've entered into the playing field of doing exactly what the Big Four have been doing all along.  The philosophical ideal is a level playing field.  You get X displacement, you have one cylinder, you burn gasoline, and that's all that needs to be said.  That means that the competition is about the riders, and the bikes, and not about who can wave their dick around at the AMA and get them to dole out some favors.

As for changing the rules to 250 vs 350F, I do think that would be a step in the right direction, however, I don't think it's something we should pursue.  The Big Four don't make 350Fs, and have warehouses full of 450Fs that they need to move, and now we're going to tell them that the "little guy" KTM's 350F thing is now the golden standard?  They'd shut that proposal down so fast it'd make Clint Eastwood open his eyes (for the first time in 40 years) with surprise.  I think 300 vs 450F works better, because it's easier to take a 250 two-stroke and make it a 300, than it is to take ten million 450Fs and make them into 350Fs.


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Re: 350
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 02:51:43 PM »
I am not sure if you realise living in the time vacuum that you do , But rev limits have been used in motor sport for years as a way of keeping costs down.
Sports like F1/Moto GP/WSBK/NASCAR by diff ratio limits.
Maybe you have heard of these sports on your wireless ?.

PS. Do you realise you were argueing with your self in the above post ?
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Re: 350
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 03:17:08 PM »
I am not sure if you realise living in the time vacuum that you do , But rev limits have been used in motor sport for years as a way of keeping costs down.
Sports like F1/Moto GP/WSBK/NASCAR by diff ratio limits.
Maybe you have heard of these sports on your wireless ?.

PS. Do you realise you were argueing with your self in the above post ?


Lol :D It's good to see things haven't changed during my absence.
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Offline TMKIWI

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Re: 350
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 03:20:14 PM »

Lol :D It's good to see things haven't changed during my absence.

Na its been quiet lately. But I coudnt resist.  :D

Where have you been ?
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Re: 350
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 03:25:56 PM »
Busy for a while then had an unexpected health issue whose severity is yet to be determined.I guess that distracted me from computing,bikes etc.I've since decided,P on it,whatever is,is and I'll just continue on for now as abnormally as usual :D
On another note,as I was eating supper tonight I was watching a show about an Aussie dude who whacked people and then stuffed them in barrels :o Cripes,are they all like that? ;D
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 03:32:04 PM »
Yep thats the aussies for you. ;D
You would have seen the chopper reid videos before. That pretty much sums them up. :P
Hope you get well and things arent too serious.
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Re: 350
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 03:41:50 PM »
Yeah,I've seen those,too funny :D.
As for me,time will tell but if I crap out,I'm coming back as the seat on Meghan Fox's bike ;D
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Re: 350
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 03:43:37 PM »
As for me,time will tell but if I crap out,I'm coming back as the seat on Meghan Fox's bike ;D

I have already asked the big fella for that job. ;)
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Re: 350
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2010, 03:49:30 PM »
Lol,probably better for you to get the job anyway.With my usual shi!house luck,if I got it,she'd end up selling it to Jetz :'(
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