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Offline burn1986

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Petition Comment Update
« on: September 01, 2010, 02:30:20 PM »
This is a summary of the Petition Comments. I made it a point to read each and every one I feel very appreciative of those who left comments, and I these stats will probably comprise most of my follow up with the AMA. I didn't make a category for all the comments, so I divided them into the most common ones:

Number of Comments - 708 out of 2187 signatures
Two Strokes and Rule Change Good for the Sport - 145 or 20%
Cheaper to Maintain and more Economical - 187 or 26%
Equal Displacements - 74 or 16%
Less Sound Problems - 16 or 2%
Displacement of 200 and 400 for 2-strokes - 7 or 1%
Displacement of 175 and 350 for 2-strokes - 9 or 1%
Rule Change would benefit privateers - 39 or 6%
Would provide an Option for racers - 22 or 3%
Would help or affect Families

I also posted this on Vitalmx so DC will get a look at it too The Petition is still going strong - 2189 and counting


http://www.gopetition.com/petition/38076.html

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 01:27:45 AM »
Hold on, aren't most of these people in the comments talking about the costs for amateur racing, where it's already 250-250F?  How many of these parents are trying to pay their kids' way to battling with James Stewart?


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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 04:59:16 AM »
JETZcorp the problem is the sheep herd mentality...  they see the "pro's" all on thumpers...  so of course they think (because they've been told so many times by the MFG'ers and the media) that the only way to be competitive is to be on a thumper.  Plus you have to remember, many of the kids riding thumpers are not that talented, the bike masks the talent.  They can get away with more mistakes then on a smoker.  All it takes is for someone on a clapped out smoker to show them at the next amateur race, that 2 strokes are alive and kicking their arse.
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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 05:33:44 AM »
Yeah, the obvious response is "why don't they just race a 250 2-stroke?" Maybe they feel these bikes are too fast or not competitive, or their are a limited number of 2-strokes available?

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 08:17:02 AM »
Also, the manufacturers won't build modern 2-strokes because of the current rules for their pros to run at the 4 stroke handicap.  The trickle down effect is no 2 strokes made to sell.  No-brainer

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 10:19:57 AM »
I appretiate all the work and time Burn1986,but I don,t see how 2,187 signatures are going to change anything. If it was 80,000 signatures, same result. On thetruckersreport.com 1 post will get 95,000 posts. If  we start a 2-st. series, that will  create a  2-st. boom, and this site would benefit, 2,000 people on here instead of 3 to 30.

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 11:06:15 AM »
Well, good point. I'm not sure what result this will have, but I hope it will be that the AMA raises the limits set out in the petition and the proposals. Beyond this, ...

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 02:30:58 PM »
You could all move to NZ. ;)
Then there is no problem.

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 06:10:34 PM »
What burn1986 is doing is great regardless of what some may think or say.Us 2-stroke fans whether racers or just weekend riders will benefit from what he has accomplished already not to mention I have quite a few riding buddies as well as family members who ride 2-strokes as well as 4-strokes and they are all willing to sign burns petition.I just have to get to their homes for a visit & MAKE SURE they get on TSM & sign the petition!So far I signed the petition and have had 3 more people sign it,but I still have about 20 more people that told me they would be more than happy to sign it but I feel like I must stop by their homes for a friendly visit just to remind them how important burns petition is not only for the sport but also for the 2-stroke motorcycle in general..!

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2010, 06:27:03 PM »
Just as an fyi, many areas do not run AMA rules, so they are not using the amateur rules. Here in texas Grand National series, it is still 250 2 stroke against 450farts.  Also, as a point, it is just rediculous thinking about that. Here they use these rules, here they use those rules, here they use this other rule.  WTF, doesn't anyone up there think it sounds stupid?  After 40 years of having everyone on the same page. Then poof, it's all over the board. Just depends on what the series runners, decide is fair to them.  Just GAY!  not that there is anything wrong with that. (seinfeld)
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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2010, 11:35:06 PM »
One thing that I think is worth noting, is that although the petition has 2,000-and-some signatures, there's a perspective to put that in.  When I was voting in that great outdoors idea thingy, the really big ideas had, like 1200 net votes, MAX.  And that's something set up by the Federal Government to be presented to the President of the United States himself.  I think given that this petition, which was set by one man in his spare time, has absolutely blitzed the things in the Government program, is a good sign indeed.  Unless you start buying airtime on radio and TV and spamming Facebook with ads, I don't think it's reasonable to get something like 80,000 signatures, and hopefully the AMA would realize that.

What would be useful, though, would be to see signatures for and signatures against.  Because looking at the 2000+ signatures there are now, a big-four rep could easily say, "Yeah, but what if there were 10,000 people who saw this thing and thought it was total bullshit?"  And we could say, "True, but what if there were only 15 people who saw this thing and thought it was total bullshit?"  The point is, all this petition is telling us that X number of people want measure B (for Burn) to go through.  But it doesn't tell you what percentage or ratio of riders want that.  And ultimately, I think the AMA is more of a game of percentages.  I am fairly confident that we could pull some rather big percentages to our side, if there was a mechanism to demonstrate these figures.  And if we didn't, and it turns out that only 0.5% of riders want this thing enacted, then we'd just have to go to the backup plan, just as we'll have to IF this petition fails.  But, I think it's all a bit too late for that, and I don't know how you'd go about doing it, anyway.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 04:58:56 AM »
There's a vote for that exact thing from someone on vitalmx for the last couple of years. It has both sides.   But either way, Burns is the one doing this, and DC and those up above already know about it and are avoiding answering the true petition format, just keep on using the 250 vs 250F example. They never questioned a 450 2 stroke in lap times vs a 450F. Wonder why that is?  LOL  Only the good examples are used to kill the idea, not the fact that a 450F would still probably be better than a 450 2 stroke on lap times.
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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 05:50:18 AM »
Very good points.

At the worst, the petition will at least generate some thoughts as to why the number of rider entries is decreasing. Maybe I could do a comparison of this. Of course this would involve MXSports who are the bigest opposers to this.

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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 06:52:38 PM »
I took the liberty to post some comments on "TON" Texas Off Road Network about the petition. Check it out.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/477825/2_Strokes_are_back#Post477825
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Re: Petition Comment Update
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 06:44:27 AM »
Good job TX!
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