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Offline ford832

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2010, 02:07:17 PM »
Crap,I must have missed all the good stuff.I need to quit work so I can keep up on the juicy bits.
Fortunately,I can imagine at least.

It's amazing to me that some would take offense to a direct quote by a Honda exec and construe that as being an attack on their choice of bike.What is this,Mr. Rogers neighborhood?Facts are facts.If you don't like them,too damn bad.Suck it up and grow a set.
I've owned all the Jap bikes and currently own a Honda quad as well as the YZ which means,of course,absolutely nothing other than the fact that I'm not brand loyal.
Honda is also known for applying pressure to race organizations/rule makers to suit their agenda and ,unlike many others,they have the $$ and influence to do it.
Anything Honda does,even if it appears like a touchy/feely "good for the sport" good will type of thing would absolutely,positively not be done if it didn't further their bottom line.
They are also known as the fourstroke company and blatantly paint the two stroke as an eco disaster to further their sales-especially where the average eco conscious consumer will think this makes sense and come on board.

Having said all this,If I was Honda,I'd likely do the same thing.This is simply called "GOOD BUSINESS" and Honda does it well.If Yamaha,KTM,TM,GasGas or whoever figured they couldn't make a buck by continuing to sell 2t's,they'd be gone tomorrow-simple as that.

I'm astounded that some people are naive enough to believe that certain companies will continue to sell a certain product because it's just the right thing to do-or that others refuse to sell one simply because they feel it's morally wrong.

Business is business,always has been and always will be-everything else is secondary.

Now I'm staring to confuse myself.Where was I again?Oh yeah, Honda Sucks :P ;)


 
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2010, 04:01:01 PM »
I understand that much, but there is 40+ years of Honda 2 strokes that people can barely get parts for. And as of right now dealer's are making more repairing motor's than selling. The Atc/Trx250r is probably suffering the most. $600 plus for NOS cases alone! NOS Fender set's are now $1000 plus because you can't get oem anymore. If Honda would sell parts again they would make a killing. And if they wanted to really make a killing the would make a 2011 TRX250R, that would out sell any 450.

here is somebodies mock up they built:
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I ride an 03 yz250, wait 04, wait 05, what ever, they're all the same #$@% YOU!

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2010, 04:44:47 PM »
Up until about 10 years ago,the beauty of a Honda was that,if they built it,you could buy it.I had an old 60's Hondoo a few years ago and could walk in to my dealer and get parts-although some had been outsourced to China-but still available.
A short term parts cut off is the reality of things these days-and not just for motorcycles.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »
If you guys bash Honda one more time, I am going to start to give out gold stars.
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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2010, 05:25:12 PM »
I think I may have just earned one on the other thread. :o
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2010, 07:30:12 PM »
Hey, if you want to bash someone for parts availability, the only word that needs to be mentioned is, "Orange."


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2010, 08:55:58 PM »
LOL.


I ride an 03 yz250, wait 04, wait 05, what ever, they're all the same #$@% YOU!

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2010, 09:26:10 PM »
I understand that much, but there is 40+ years of Honda 2 strokes that people can barely get parts for. And as of right now dealer's are making more repairing motor's than selling. The Atc/Trx250r is probably suffering the most. $600 plus for NOS cases alone! NOS Fender set's are now $1000 plus because you can't get oem anymore. If Honda would sell parts again they would make a killing. And if they wanted to really make a killing the would make a 2011 TRX250R, that would out sell any 450.

here is somebodies mock up they built:


Most problems can be solved by calling service honda.

http://www.servicehonda.com/honda-2010-models/atv-srx250r

http://www.servicehonda.com/honda-2010-models/atv-srx250r

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2010, 11:12:43 PM »
Suzuki and Kawi  don,t make a 125 or 250 either,or sell them in the USA. At least Honda has the sack and gave everyone a 1 year notice saying that in 07 will be the last year the 85,125,250 will be produced. Suzuki and Kawi just pulled the plug on there 125 and 250. If anyones should be upset it,s the 85 riders, they haven,t made changes to the bikes since about 1995 and 85 senior kids are great riders, that could use frame,suspension changes,egos,etc. I rarely have a problem geting parts from service honda, for my 04,06 cr125. That where green phrase started in 06,in 04 our semis-big trucks got the 2nd generation epa mandated engines,that sound like messed up vaccums,07 low sulfer fuel,months later ultra low sulfer fuel 8 prts per million, 08 the next epa mandated parlament filter engine,commonly called regeneration engine. The parl. filter-looks like a weird muffler with steel hoses,etc. going to it, gets plugged or parchialy plugged idiot lights in 3 different stages come on the driver info screen, you have to park in a safe area and try to do a maual regen, usually it won,t and 90 % of your power is gone,so your top speed is 45mph if that. Sometimes the mauel regen works,you hv. to be parked, temps. of 2,000 degrees, the engine doing a regen sounds like a jet for 40-45 min.,the parliment fuel is turned into a rocket engine, it,s burning the soot from the parliment filter. There,s alot more to it, alot of trucks end up being towed, 2,3 mile tow can cost 1,500 bucks. If your pulling a heavy load at a constant speed,it can regen going down the road,blowing 12 inche flames out the smoke stacks,usually the engine wants a regen in grid lock traffic, the engine is a joke.So the  engine maufactures are really struggling to meet the epa,s demands, CAT called it quits, for a while saying the 2010 epa engine isn,t possible,I think they teamed with another manufacture. I don,t think there,s a state where, you can idle for heat or ac anymore,fines can be 2,500 bucks,local cops writing tickets at truckstops.Everyone needs a truck delivering to live,chemicals to water treatment plants, you wouldn,t last 3 days drinking untreated water,food,butt wipe, everything you see and use. Point is the clean air act is very serious, it cost much more to transport everything,making peoples lives more difficult because everything cost much more. We the truckers had numerous srtikes in 08, to fight the 6.00 plus a gal. fuel, gov. long list of new regs.,etc. things that hurt us,but the biggest loser in the end is the consumer,because the fuel surcharge goes right to the consumer.Honda,s stance really don,t make sense,the epa isn,t attacking dirtbikes, they,ll change there tune,just like a politician.

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2010, 11:23:57 PM »
I say the EPA should just screw off and let long-haul freight go back to the good old days.  Like this!

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Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2010, 12:10:02 AM »
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Hey, if you want to bash someone for parts availability, the only word that needs to be mentioned is, "Orange."

Oh, it's time for the KTM Rap!

"I got my K-T-M Yester-day,
They don't sell spare parts but that's OK,
It came out of the factory assembled that way,
And when it breaks I just throw it away!"

It's OK if I bash KTM or Honda, b/c I own both, I should get a free pass.  BTW, I got a brand new OEM side case for an 86 Honda, if there's one thing Honda did do right, it's they make parts!

Modest beginings start with a single blow of a horn, man.

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 12:31:19 AM »
My local Honda Yamaha dealer is awesome for parts stock. The parts manager has a yz250 and the sales manager has a cr500 (same bikes as me) they sock almost anything for those bikes.

I see the sales and parts guys out riding at the local spots, almost always on two strokes 8)

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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2010, 03:39:25 AM »
I had two KTM's and a Berg.I was constantly amazed at how good parts availabilty was.A few days at most-even for odd parts.
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2010, 04:43:25 AM »
I've never had an issue getting parts for my katoom, but they are pricey...  I deserve a pass as well as I ride a katoom, and my son is a quad turd on a Honda 400EX.  Not to mention I rode Elsinores back on the day... those were really great bikes...   8)
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Re: Yay MXA! Boo Honda
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2010, 04:48:17 AM »
The only problem with KTM parts is for the older bikes. I had a 1986 250 that was a pain to find parts for. They didn't even make electrical components any longer and that's what those were known for going bad. I gave it away because parts were such a hassle to get. I refurbished a 1984 KTM 125MX about 10 years ago, and I had if it wasn't for eBay and forums I never would have finished it.
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