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Offline bearorso

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2012, 06:56:01 PM »
Jotagas are a tiny company, making a huge effort, just like TM, Ossa, Sherco, Beta etc. Some slightly less tiny than the other.

Without a doubt, the death of Ahola absolutely devastated the company. It was a few weeks after his crash - complications related to his surgery. I note now, that  'MK' - the Finnish developer of the Enduro side seems to have no mention of his name now on their site - just the retention of his initials. I think he and Mika were quite close - it has, one would assume, really effected MK.

Who's making what parts and assemblies - doesn't matter. All small European manufacturers source from a wide variety of suppliers - for major parts, not just suspension, brakes etc. Well, the big ones do too - as is the case with the Japanese factories. I'd take any assertion that any party had / is doing the majority of development / production, with a very large grain of salt. Especially Bimota - a company that has gone belly up many, many, many times. There's Quite a risk there...... hopefully, a well calculated one, by Jordi Tarres and Co. But, there will be a 'collaboration' / 'collaborations,  without doubt.

 There is enormous untapped production / supplier capability in Spain now, with the shutdown of Honda , Yamaha and Derbi production. The Spanish government, are very keen on retaining / regaining the production capabilities, and jobs lost. Sherco, for example, are in the process of moving even more of their production of bikes (prev 30% France based / 70% Spain based, I've read) and Ossa, Gas Gas / Reiju (sp?) are in some sort of collaboration - reputably we will see a Gas Gas engined variant of the Ossa Enduro, whilst Ossa concentrate on the Trials and Explorer production - a small company struggling to keep up with  production needs for it's 1st model(s). As the base engine is already in production, I'm pretty sure the reversed sloper Ossa will make an appearance. Meanwhile - do a collaboration, and bring in another income stream.

The showing of the MK300 as a Bimota, at last years EICMA, was a very clever bit of publicity / marketing - a 'new' Bimota Always gets Massive press - having the MK on Jotagas' stand, would have diminished both the Enduro bikes, And, importantly, the Trials bikes exposure, greatly. Clever way to do it.

With the tragedy of MA's death, and the  huge demands placed on Jotagas with just meeting the demand for their Trials Bikes (it's a 'relative' demand - it's all about company size and production capabilities), It's not hard to see the delay in the Enduro bike.

I very much hope we see the MKs in the time frame that the OZ distributor has given Jeram.

The sooner we see ALL of the mooted New 2 strokes, the better. BM / Husky, Ossa, Gas Gas, Jotagas, TM, Fantic, Sherco, Beta and others - are the ones that I want to see make money, and sales, that the majority of the Japanese companies have 'left behind'. KTM has had a market left to them - as a reasonably sized producer, for far to long. And the profits from that 'market', have largely driven their 4t / Road Bike, and self indulgent, car production. Let 'non 2 stroke' producing companies wallow in the deepening mire of producing bikes that more and more people are wanting to turn away from. Now, unlike some of the more 'slatheringly rabid' people here, I have no real problem with 4ts - just a Very Real problem with the 'shaping of race rules, and the Market', by the "all 4t, all the time" company (ies).

*** Good 'Spying', Jeram - I'm buggered if I could find them on Jotagas' site - you sure you haven't trawled the various Spanish sites? Ratbag! - I've been regularly checking French and Spanish sites for more news and pics of the 'new' 2ts. ***
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2012, 08:16:10 PM »
What is the fuss with this bike, and why does it look like a KTM frame, swinger and body?  I'm not being a smart azz, this is just the first I've heard about it and I can't quite tell what the rage is.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 03:56:30 AM »
A lot of the smaller Euro manufacturers play it safe by going with what is proven. The first non TM engined Gas Gas enduros looked very similar to a perimeter framed KX with a Honda CR250 case reed converted engine stuffed in. There are obvious cost savings with going this route as well - a simple plastic injection mold can easily cost $40,000 and more.

 With this in mind does a Gas Gas feel like a CR engined KX? Nope, Gas Gas's are very distinctly their own machine and you won't confuse them with anything else.

This is where all the"fuss" comes about with the Jotagas, while certain aspects of the bike may resemble existing machinery, rest assured it will be another distinctly European offroad rocket. In a market abandoned by the Japanese we will have yet another work of art.

Now if only I could some information about the hotrod Fantic Zuendapps! I just watched a Youtube video of the front fender tip of a Zuendapp 300 tip flying through the trees, what does the rest of the bike look like? :<img src=" title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 06:31:29 AM »
The Jotagas could be good, I haven't seen anything special about it making me want it over a Gas Gas, TM, Ossa or KTM. I really like JTG's trials bike design, but this isn't as different or innovative. I don't mind having more awesome 200 2-strokes to choose from though!
The Bimota thing is interesting. I like the theory posted here about marketing. I am sure the Bimota name boosted its exposure. But if it is a Bimota built bike, I wouldn't expect it to come at anything affordable.

One last thing, a photo I have that hasn't been posted! Seen here with a traditional style pipe. Shock is not an Ohlins like another photo shows. Silencer looks like an Akrapovic. Seat is not as flat as other photo.

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 08:05:33 AM »

*** Good 'Spying', Jeram - I'm buggered if I could find them on Jotagas' site - you sure you haven't trawled the various Spanish sites? Ratbag! - I've been regularly checking French and Spanish sites for more news and pics of the 'new' 2ts. ***

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2012, 09:09:50 AM »
I should be a Private Detective, finding spy photos from inside the factory now!
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Very odd header pipe in the above photos. Seems to be a mixture of trails and enduro to make big power at idle, but not sure how it would go at any other RPMs. just one of many test pipes during development I suppose!
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Jeram, you are not detective you just take photos from my website. I take these photos myself. But it is ok. If it spreads the Jotagas word then good , BUT i would have liked you to have credited the website for the photos

I have many friends at Jotagas factory. The chasis was developed by Jotagas only not Bimota.Somewhere down the line Bimota is confused with Jotagas. The engine is their own as well. I have seen the many prototype frames at the factory and photograph them. I think the company concentrates on the trials bikes only . They will get these selling well and get production up. Once this is acheived they will take the enduro bike forwards. At the moment i do not think the enduro prototype will get much work.
Everything is concentrated on the trials. They must get the company bringing in the money and then perhaps they will return to the enduro. To back this up , you will see Mika Arpa has dissapeared from the website. He was the developer of the enduro bike. He does not work for Jotagas anymore.Maybe he will return on consultancy basis?. Mika is one of the Bulto/ Bultaco family. The Spanish motorcycle world is very closely linked to one another.

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