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General Two Stroke Talk / Old essay about fake Two Stroke racing efforts...
« on: May 20, 2012, 04:14:02 AM »
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General Two Stroke Talk / Old essay about fake Two Stroke racing efforts...
« on: May 20, 2012, 02:52:42 AM »
Whoa there, getting a little too 'tin foil hat' for me
There is a big difference between a business legally and legitimately promoting one model over another, it's a simple game of numbers and profit that won't try to understand as I'm not an accountant nor a marketer.
However I can say that it's got nothing in common with pawning stolen watches.
If ktm thought a factory rider could smash the competition on a 250 sx they would Be doing or they would make it run a close second behind the 350. Why? Again it's all about money making!
There is a big difference between a business legally and legitimately promoting one model over another, it's a simple game of numbers and profit that won't try to understand as I'm not an accountant nor a marketer.
However I can say that it's got nothing in common with pawning stolen watches.
If ktm thought a factory rider could smash the competition on a 250 sx they would Be doing or they would make it run a close second behind the 350. Why? Again it's all about money making!
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General Two Stroke Talk / Old essay about fake Two Stroke racing efforts...
« on: May 19, 2012, 08:27:59 AM »
didnt realise the 450 was on the way out, nice post.
I think we also need to be careful not to pigeon hole KTM as a 'honda-esque' company
honda has a spite towards two strokes, whereas KTM operates like a business, its all about investment return.
If they did in fact do this publicity stunt to push four strokes over two strokes, it was purely for the sake of business.
And there's nothing wrong with them doing that.
So either way I wouldnt say something was 'fishy'.
again, just my 2c, hope nobody takes offence.
I think we also need to be careful not to pigeon hole KTM as a 'honda-esque' company
honda has a spite towards two strokes, whereas KTM operates like a business, its all about investment return.
If they did in fact do this publicity stunt to push four strokes over two strokes, it was purely for the sake of business.
And there's nothing wrong with them doing that.
So either way I wouldnt say something was 'fishy'.
again, just my 2c, hope nobody takes offence.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Old essay about fake Two Stroke racing efforts...
« on: May 19, 2012, 03:14:58 AM »
similarly one could assume the following based on assumptions and hypothesis
1. That KTM were anti-four stroke for allowing Mr Sleeter to ride a 'factory' four stroke for so long without achieving results.
2. perhaps KTM has some 450s that arnt shifting off dealer floors due to the 350s introduction, they need to shift some stock so the promote the 450 at this event.
3. I also heard that honda-ninjas put a packet of thumb tacks in Sleeters 250sx motor, causing it fail; damaging the two stroke image further. hehe
1. That KTM were anti-four stroke for allowing Mr Sleeter to ride a 'factory' four stroke for so long without achieving results.
2. perhaps KTM has some 450s that arnt shifting off dealer floors due to the 350s introduction, they need to shift some stock so the promote the 450 at this event.
3. I also heard that honda-ninjas put a packet of thumb tacks in Sleeters 250sx motor, causing it fail; damaging the two stroke image further. hehe
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 16, 2012, 10:06:48 PM »The fact of the matter is, no one can make a thread on this board without Jeram scrutinizing it, and this guy is scrutinizing not only a bike I have ridden but another one of my own bikes on a completely unrelated message board. The guy is a troll that transcends multiple message boards. It never fails, that every board has one and in this case, 2 boards have the same one in common.
Im on about 10 forums but choose to only scruitnise in 2, unfortunately some of the content on two of these forums have members who make outrageous claims, conjure up conspiracies about just about anything, and create speculation. In my mind it needs scruitinizing, otherwise any other passers by will think this is a tin foil hat zone.
now, Im actually going now (again haha). so if youve got anything else to say thats what the PM button is for.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 16, 2012, 01:40:03 PM »This will throw a monkey wrench into the internet motocross afficanado's theory. I have ridden a 60hp CR500. And I have ridden this bike. Like I said in my first post, I immediately jumped off the bike and questioned the guy because the power differential between the two was...well....worth questioning, to which I got the response, "it dyno'd at close to 80hp." followed by the list of mods, in conjunction with the fact that it was jetted to perfection.
ahh I cant help myself.
what was the list?
did the list of mods include a 'port and polish' and a pro circuit pipe?
PS: notice how the last CR you rode was exactly 60hp? and this one is 80hp? and your RGV on the RGV forum was exactly 80hp too?
what are the chances of all those hp numbers being so nice and rounded............. UP to the nearest 10!
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 15, 2012, 02:27:54 AM »Are you just an internet forum **** talker? We don't do that here..
Try this one out.
I thought we had already established in my first post that I was calling you a bull**** artist? no?
so by, "we dont do that here" you mean everyone except you?
I think Ill leave it at that.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:35:00 PM »hows your 80hp RGV250 going bud?
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 13, 2012, 11:11:26 PM »
You just have it all figured out don't you.
If you spent as much time as I do each week developing big bore two strokes singles into road racing engines, you would too
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 13, 2012, 07:36:40 AM »90hp dream on. To get to approach 80hp you need to be on methanol with 44mm carburetor, then the bike is not 'fast' at all they only go well on dirt track/sand/road racing with certifiable nutcases riding.
HRC riders were de-tuning the 500 to make them ridable back in the mid 90's.
You mad bro?
Tell me again that cr500's can't pull off 90hp..
The only CR to get close to 90hp with a stock cylinder (at the crank) was Dr Robert Tullie, he was the head of development at Renault F1 and the creator of the Tul-aris racer.
he build a bike called the Tul-da, a CR500 road racer.
But Ill tell you now this bike is in a whole different league
"Close to 80" as said by some bloke could have meant 75hp, and that 75hp could have been on a 'happy dyno' bringing it down to a more realistic 70hp. Which by all accounts is still a ****ing powerful bike.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 13, 2012, 07:27:58 AM »90hp dream on. To get to approach 80hp you need to be on methanol with 44mm carburetor, then the bike is not 'fast' at all they only go well on dirt track/sand/road racing with certifiable nutcases riding.
HRC riders were de-tuning the 500 to make them ridable back in the mid 90's.
You mad bro?
All kidding aside, I wasted a small chunk of my teenager years on trike/quad forums where drag racing is being done. Ever heard of a Puma motor? its a 400cc cylinder mated to a atc/trx250r cases. Here is a dyno sheet of one running on Methanol..With the counter balancer.
Tell me again that cr500's can't pull off 90hp..
There is a huge difference between a stock ported cylinder and a big dollar CR500 LIGER cylinder (Not PUMA, the LIGER is the CR cylinder made by CPindustries, who also make the PUMA).
With a 660cc liger cylinder, a completely unusable 100hp is possible on methanol.
But compared to this cylinder which resembles a scaled up 7 port GP125 cylinder, the standard CR cylinder looks primitive in comparison.
No amount of porting on a stock CR500 cylinder will get it anywhere near one of those liger cylinders. Thats why they make the LIGER cylinder from scratch, not a simple core swap port job.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 12, 2012, 03:11:33 PM »
I dont doubt it was fun to ride 
even with 60rwhp it would have gone exactly as fast as he said it did.
even with 60rwhp it would have gone exactly as fast as he said it did.
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 12, 2012, 02:22:31 PM »about 20 years ago dave thorpes world championship winning factory hrc cr 500 was 65hp, how'd you get 80?
Inflation, GFC and the internet shopping.
ahh yes, you are wise.
I forgot to add 2.6% p/a to the 1990 values numbers. silly me
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General Two Stroke Talk / tm 300 2t
« on: May 12, 2012, 09:56:55 AM »Well hooky,you also hold the record for the longest single sentence ever in the English language.
Good write up though,thanks for the info.
haha +1
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General Two Stroke Talk / Rode an 80hp CR500 today.
« on: May 12, 2012, 09:46:03 AM »
dyno graph or it didnt happen..