2 Stroke privateer

[evo550]

I'm surprised there aren't more 250 2 stroke riders in the 250 class. Maybe it'll take a lil bit to catch on.

I think the problem is for someone to qualify it has to be done on a 250f at local or state level, so no ones going to drop the bike they have prepared on for a bike they are unfarmiliar with for a nationl title. Until riders can race and prepare 250 2t's in the lites at local events, I don't think you will see many at the nationals.
Kingy will go a long way to convincing people though.

[eprovenzano]

The lap times of the 2t and 4stroke bikes is about the same, that's why they let them run together.
Don't get me wrong i'm a 2t fan through and through but the 2stroke 250 doesn't have the massive advantage over 250f's that some of you seem to think. Often the lites bikes are lapping faster than the 450's.
It's not necessarily about sheer HP it's about delivery.  

I agree with all that BUT, on the weekend at our club day on of the vets who races a rm 250 and is usually a top 5 finisher fronted up on a early 90's kx500 and absolutley abliterated every 450 out there, the track is axle deep whooped out sand and flat out HP won on the day.
It was one of those moments where all the juinors lined the fences going, "who is he, and WTF is that bike he's riding"

Schooling all the juinors that lined the fences ....  priceless  

[TMKIWI]

Evo550: Aussie has 250=250 so you can turn up with what you like.
The only way a privateer can compete with the factory backed boys on their $30k 250F's is on a 2 stroke.
Or a very rich daddy.

[evo550]

Evo550: Aussie has 250=250 so you can turn up with what you like.
The only way a privateer can compete with the factory backed boys on their $30k 250F's is on a 2 stroke.
Or a very rich daddy.

Aussie only has the 250t v 250f rule for the nationals, everywhere else they are lumped in the 450 f class.
My point is that there are only about 8 round to the nationals, so the rider can't prepare (by riding local events) in the lites class on his 250t because of the way the rule has been implimented. So they would be less inclined to ride a 250f in  preperation and then a 250t at the actual event.

[maicoman009]

In my opinion the 4-strokes have made the younger & some of the not so young MX racers a bit lazy.I know the 4-strokes are a fair amount heavier but most experienced racers know how to make the bikes work for them instead of against them,but I still believe the 4-strokes make a rider/racer a little bit on the lazy side due to less shifting,the engine braking of a 4 stroke and the different power characteristics of a 4-choke,meaning the smoother,albeit slower revving power of the engine.These guys have to get back to the basics & learn how to race the good ol' 2-strokes and learn how to shift the bikes & use the advantages of the 2-stroke bikes & quit being so damn lazy! "JUST MY OPINION"...

[TMKIWI]

Sorry Evo I was not aware that was the rules.
I understand what you are saying now.
Stupid idea that. I would have thought that if you were going to change the rules, you would change them at club level as well.

[evo550]

Sorry Evo I was not aware that was the rules.
I understand what you are saying now.
Stupid idea that. I would have thought that if you were going to change the rules, you would change them at club level as well.

Word is, the rule change will be introduced across all levels in 2011

[SwapperMX]

Word is, the rule change will be introduced across all levels in 2011
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Yep, and I CANNOT WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TMKIWI]

SwapperMX let us know how the 2 stroke guys at Toowoomba this weekend.

[evo550]

Is the Nats round at Echo Valley this W/end? Gotta get my arse up the hill for a look.

[SwapperMX]

Yeah it is EVO. Gonna be good too. Speakin to the boys who run Echo Valley and the track sounds like it will be awesome. Have had plenty of water on the track and built up quite a few sections so should see plenty of action, and hopefully some smokers up the front. Will post up a review of the day to let you guys know how well the boys do on their 250 2 strokes in the lites class.

[TMKIWI]

Hey Swappermx, how was the weekend ?
I see Kim Ashkenazi got a 5th in one moto.
Am waiting to hear from you about the meet.

[scotty dog]

In my opinion the 4-strokes have made the younger & some of the not so young MX racers a bit lazy.I know the 4-strokes are a fair amount heavier but most experienced racers know how to make the bikes work for them instead of against them,but I still believe the 4-strokes make a rider/racer a little bit on the lazy side due to less shifting,the engine braking of a 4 stroke and the different power characteristics of a 4-choke,meaning the smoother,albeit slower revving power of the engine.These guys have to get back to the basics & learn how to race the good ol' 2-strokes and learn how to shift the bikes & use the advantages of the 2-stroke bikes & quit being so damn lazy! "JUST MY OPINION"...

You would be right there Maicoman, i have just got back on a 2t 250 after having a 450 for the last couple of years and i can say they do make you lazy. Its pretty hard to start with, havin to get used to actually riding the bike, using the clutch and changin gears. Habits are hard to break but seein i have ridden 2ts more than 4s i got back in the swing of things pretty quick.

[graham472]

Shocked!! Scotty a 450?!! I thought you would have learned your 4st lesson after that 426 you loved so much

[SwapperMX]

Hey TMKIWI, Sorry about the delay. I didnt end up making it out to Toowoomba on the weekend. Went riding on Saturday cos we were going to the nationals on the Sunday and I broke my leg. Pretty devastating and I am laid up for a few weeks. Have spoken to a few boys and they said the racing was real good and there was a real special tribute for Andrew McFarlane which was good. Yeah it would have been great to see Ashcan out there carving it up. That was a great result for him. Darryl King had a few solid finishes with out anything special, and Cam Taylor was up there as well. I have to wait for the last round which is at Coolum. That could be good for the guys on the two strokes being a sand track. Look for some real good results there.