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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2010, 03:04:12 PM »
Ah,I get it,thanks.
As for the Maico thing,I hear tell they're the best bike ever built,I can't imagine one with eight speeds :o ;D
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2010, 03:34:15 PM »
I think a seven-speed would add some weight to the package, not to mention the need for new, wider cases to contain those gears, and the weight of extra oil to lubricate this bigger engine.  But, as I've said before, I think every bike needs at least six gears.  When I rode my dad's '77 Maico, there were only two things I didn't like.  One was that it lacked the low-end of my Husky, which is largely because it's got a '75 cylinder on it, and there was a lot of advancement in two-strokes during that time, because it had only been in the mainstream for a short time.  That was easily cured with throttle and a snap of the clutch, though, at which point the motor was faultless.  But what really let it down was the lack of a sixth gear.  Compared to the Husky, on the long gravel roads it felt like I was doing ten miles per hour.  I could get it to go actually quite fast just by revving it, but at a certain point, it started vibrating so much my ass went instantly numb, so I had to tone it down a little bit.  That particular bike, which was ported for big-time motocross competition, has a rich history of revving so high that people think it's going to explode.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2010, 03:44:06 PM »
Nothing wrong with your post Jetzcorp but just the wording leaves me with multiple possibilities for ahole type comments just for giggles.I'm trying to be good though.Your turn tmkiwi
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2010, 03:56:07 PM »
Nah Ford not in the mood.

I was wondering though weather it was really his arse that went numb.
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2010, 04:00:51 PM »
Hahahahaha,all right I'll take it from there.
Just a couple anyway.
Jetzcorp,it likely felt like you were doing ten miles per hour because you were and it likely had a history of people thinking it was going to explode because they did ;D Sorry,I'll leave the rest but I do feel better now :)
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2010, 04:32:32 PM »
I'd say I was doing fifty-something, maybe sixty-something.  I doubt a new Yamaha or something is geared any higher than the '77.  I mean, they're both geared for motocross and I believe they both have 1:1 gearing in fifth.  And as for blowing up, that wasn't what Maicos did.  The Maico-Breako reputation was mainly associated with fragile rims, bolts that liked to rattle loose, pipes that liked to crack, and engine chains that needed to be replaced, but weren't.  I could be wrong, but I don't think blowing up was as big of a concern in the days when the engines didn't rev as high.  I'm not saying that low-revving is a good thing (it limits horsepower quite a lot) but it does reduce the physical speed of the moving parts.

As for my ass, believe me, that was the part that got numb.  It felt like if I had stood up, the seat would start making a humming noise like a tuning fork.  It was ridiculous.  As you all know I love Maico, but credit where it's due to the Swedes, they made a bike that will break state-wide speed limits on just about any road in existence, and be smooth as a Cadillac while doing so.  Aside from the Sand Spider, Maicos aren't really "Open Road" bikes.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2010, 04:45:08 PM »
The TM's have the same problems with bolts vibrating loose.The 300's anyway
When they are new if you don't tighten the bolts after every hour of use you will loose some bolts.
Only have to do it for the first few hours then every thing will be fine.
My bike i bought second hand and the origanal owner forgot this as there are a couple of non standard bolts.

I think its the price you pay for something exotic.

The vibration is not something you notice while riding.
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2010, 06:39:32 PM »
I raced a 7 speed Sachs as a kid. On the high speed fire roads virtually any bike I saw ahead of me I could pass, it was scary hanging onto that thing at 90 mph.

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2010, 06:41:19 PM »
When in doubt, douse it in red Loc-Tite.  That stuff will fix anything.  I even started using it as toothpaste, and my teeth have never been straighter!  Okay, that's a lie, but it would probably work better than any little metal-wire retainer!


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2010, 08:23:56 PM »
"Opfermanmotors-Who's George Marshall?Moreover,the fact that his ability or riding style better suits an old big bore 2t is just fine but it doesn't make it gospel to 99.9% of the rest of the population-myself included."

Oh the irony!  This thread was started by you showing 1 person's video and opinion to end all Maico discussions!!
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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2010, 08:25:36 PM »
What would be great is 100 gear bike where each gear adds 1 MPH to the previous. 

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2010, 08:36:38 PM »
Kind of like an old Rokon RT340.

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2010, 02:14:43 PM »
100 gears would be too much shifting, but I don't think 6 is too much when your top gear gets you into three-digit territory.  I know my Husky's first-second-third sequence is a little ridiculous, though.  More gears than there are seconds spent shifting them.

Anyway, I've heard conjecture that a CVT (continuously variable transmission) would be an interesting idea fro a two-stroke.  It would take a lot of the fun out of riding, but the bike could be held right at the peak-horsepower mark and accelerate like a rocket as the transmission changes for you, continuously.  You could make a bike with no horsepower anywhere except one ridiculous spike on the dyno chart, and just whip everyone into a foam.  It's an interesting idea, but like I say, I think it would take out a lot of the fun value.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2010, 07:30:18 PM »
I apologize Turquine.You are correct again,I was just going on memory alone and obviously mines not as good as I thought it was.I do recall the KTM 495 test from 1981 & in the magazine it was quoted as being a "stock"KTM 495 and from what I vaguely remember about the KX-500 top speed run is it having some type of fairing in front of or on the handlebars of the bike for better aerodynamics in which case would'nt make it anymore or less modified than the KTM was."SORRY ABOUT THAT" :-*

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Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2010, 09:59:32 PM »
No problem, Maicoman. That there were two KX500s tested for those high speed runs threw me off a little too, when I first read the article and I wasn't exactly sure if they got any of those figures from the basically stock one, until I re-read it.

Like I said though, it's a pity they didn't try that high-speed run on some of the other European bikes. The '82 KTM 495 and mid '90s KTM 550 were considerably more powerful than the '81495, and I'm certain would beat any stock KX 500 in such a contest any day of the week. Ah, but nobody ever tried, unfortunately. I was merely pointing out that Kawasaki had made a few decent and notable machines, but not by any means claiming the KX could out-do any other machine, just any other Japanese machine to date, stock. Several European brands are or were clearly more potent.

Here's a link with the KX 500 drag-racing a high powered street racer and all things considered, does surprisingly well for a dirtbike. KX gets off to a bad start, first time, but much better on the 2nd run. I have no Idea of the modifications on either machine, but this is the kind of acceleration I liked as a desert rider!. -->
H2 Clubtreffen 2008 KR800 vs KX500