Is there a link between the bike you choose to ride and intelect?

[cr125 rider]

I am not sure if any studies have been done on this but i purpose they start one.All they would have to do is go onto youtube and look up any 4 stroke vs 2stroke video and study the comments from both sides.There are both intelligent and well for a lack of a better word just down right stupid comments left by both sides.By far though four stroke groupies tend to be either less intelligent,lazy or just lack general knowledge.
I was on youtube actually looking at some two stroke 250s for sale and seen a video to my right under suggested videos that read something like"what bike sounds better 2 stroke or 4 stroke" and decided i would take a look.The way you voted was to like for 2 stroke or dislike for 4 strokes so of course i clicked like .While i was there a started reading one of the many typical arguments that are common for a video like that.
I decided to comment about the cost of repair and power of the two and kinda of bashed the 4 stroke riders about how skill less riders are now a days on a pro level compared to riders back before the 4 strokes came along.Of course as i checked my email i got a reply to my comment as expected.As i opened the email to see the reply i was expecting the typical troll trying to draw me into a pointless argument but to my surprise the comment i seen made me question the intelligence of any and all 4 stroke rider!

Heres what it said:

cody begnoche has replied to your comment on What sounds best 2 stroke or 4 stroke motocross bikes ?
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if there skills are less how come you don't see Ricky Carmichael, Ryan Villapoto, or James Stewart riding two stoke pro

Now i will be the first to admit that i  have limited knowledge of super and motorcross as i was into to stadium cross when i was younger and that was back in the late 80s and 90s when Mcgrath was huge.I have watched very little of any of the 3 since 4 strokes replaced the two strokes.But even I know that stewart and ricky both ran 2 strokes.I also know that stewart was the last pro racer to run one!I of course replied back with a smiley face followed by"Thank you for making my point"

[msambuco]

money. you ride what the boss says to if you want to keep your job. that's it.

[cnrcpla]

I hate generalizing groups of people, but a MAJORITY of ignorant/stupid comments on youtube regarding 4t's being way better and stuff are from 12 year old's with 250f and 150's who think they are hot sh*t and have the fastest bike ever. Never swung a leg over a 2t, and make assumptions and arguments they don't know any better of. But hey, welcome to the internet 

Now to be fair, you also get the same group of kids who have 85's and other 2t's that think they can hit mach1 on a clapped out bike and end up being argument stirrers themselves just as guilty as any stuck up rider anywhere else.

I don't even bother commenting on any youtube videos anymore because there are so many trolls, goons, and sh*t stirrers that will argue just for the sake of arguing.

[citabjockey]

the top guys don't ride the 2T because:

• The boss pays the bills and puts them on the bike they want to sell
• The 4stroke has a 80% displacement advantage because of silly rules. A 2502T, without at least equivalent effort in development is not competitive with that handicap on today's tracks.

if there skills are less how come you don't see Ricky Carmichael, Ryan Villapoto, or James Stewart riding two stoke pro

[TMKIWI]

I just think the world is getting dumber in general.

[shanes]

I just think the world is getting dumber in general.

i think your right the dumbing down of society over the last few years is just plain scary .

[cr125 rider]

I just think the world is getting dumber in general.

I think people are lazier and more content with life more then dumb.Every generation since the 40 and up after ww2 really seem to lack ambition.Oddly enough(and sadly) wars seem to drive people to achieve more.

[Jeram]

if you included the banshee demographic we 2 strokers would be in a world of trouble intellect wise...


 

[msmola2002]

Is there a link between the bike you choose to ride and intelect?

You spelled intellect incorrectly.

hth.

[_X_]

four strokes rule dude! hey is that freedom rock?

[Stusmoke]

I hate generalizing groups of people, but a MAJORITY of ignorant/stupid comments on youtube regarding 4t's being way better and stuff are from 12 year old's with 250f and 150's who think they are hot sh*t and have the fastest bike ever. Never swung a leg over a 2t, and make assumptions and arguments they don't know any better of. But hey, welcome to the internet 

Now to be fair, you also get the same group of kids who have 85's and other 2t's that think they can hit mach1 on a clapped out bike and end up being argument stirrers themselves just as guilty as any stuck up rider anywhere else.

I don't even bother commenting on any youtube videos anymore because there are so many trolls, goons, and sh*t stirrers that will argue just for the sake of arguing.

This. I call the phenomena, dumbasskids. Pronunciation:  dumb-ass-kids     Sample sentence: A dumbasskid once again trolled youtube because they have too much bandwidth and like bashing other peoples bikes to make their likely clapped out POS four joke look and feel superior.

Seriously though, they are just kids. The amount of times I have argued against myself as to which is better is uncountable. There is no possible way to intelligently argue that a four stroke motocross bike is a better machine for the purpose of the sport. None.

[cr125 rider]

Is there a link between the bike you choose to ride and intelect?

You spelled intellect incorrectly.

hth.

Yes i did

[motoman356]

to the OP. they guy responding did have a valid point. there was a recent interview with GOOSE. cant remember where but in the interview they asked about RC4 making the switch. He said to the effect " while testing in 2004 while still on honda he decided try out a CRF450. ( i believe he said it was for ernesto fonseca who was trying to decide.) no test time of dialing in the bike RC4 was a few seconds faster on it. RC wouldve made the switch at SUZUKI but the bike still needed development and RC felt fast enough on the RM250."

yes manufacturers push product but sometimes there is just a clear advantage. in 2003 RC lost a few motos but at Washougal and Unadilla RC did everything he could to beat windham but he felt at this point the bike was holding him back. next year RC went 24-24 this time WITH all the big guys in there. and if for two crashes in 2005 at southwick and unadilla( stewie landing on him) he wouldve gone 24-24 again. as it was he still won all the overalls.

stewart came into 2005 thinking he wouldnt be at a disadvantage and it showed. 1st case high point. he battled both motos only to finish 2-2. 2nd unadilla RC goes down and stewart opens a 12 sec lead. `12 laps in RC passes him for what would possibly been the win( they were on the last lap only half way around so who knows.) 3rd binghampton JS259 holeshots only to be passed right before he crashes out.
       enter 2006. JS7 on a 450. he still struggles to beat RC but is obviously on the same playing field and wins were ultimately decided by mechanical and mishaps

[Stusmoke]

Of course he was faster on it. They are so pathetically easy to ride that it could have been a 250F and he would've been faster! No more keeping it on the pipe, no more clutching, no more steering with the rear, just point and shoot. Ricky was able to pour god knows how many hours of skills into his four stroke riding. Because majority of his racing was done on the two stroke, he was able to translate that enormous amount of skill straight over to the fooper.

[motoman356]

stusmoke. your definately right they are easier to ride. however there have been numerous test indicating that riding a 4t vs 2t allows a rider to make less mistakes albiet not a faste lap--reference transworldmx.com 250 vs 250f a few years back.  and riding a 250f or 450 you still have to ride the top of the power. have you ever heard a pro race by that wasnt on the rev limit? and clearly you dont watch RV2 race cuz he uses the rear to get through turns so fast. even on a 4t you have to steer with the rear. however vs a 2t you get more front end traction due to the extra weight and slower engine speed not spinning the rear tire as quick.

look my point is this. this site sometimes sounds more like a bunch 4t hating Nazi's then someone who is trying to help the sport. I've been on both sides. ive ridden every brand and every current engine size. i love riding 4ts and 2ts and both have pros and cons. the biggest factor right now is COST plain and simple. and  this give the nod to 2ts. that is why we/this sport needs them. what is needed is OPTIONS. like auto racing there are options for the high budget team and the low budget weekender. however our sport needs the pro level to reflect this. i wrote all about changes i felt would help the sport.
http://twostrokemotocross.com/forum/general-two-stroke-talk/whats-the-change-you-wish-to-see-in-motosupercross/