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Offline SachsGS

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2012, 03:04:27 PM »
Things were really quiet over at Suzuki and then U.S. Suzuki declared bankruptcy.
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2012, 04:25:18 PM »
I wonder if honda,suzuki an kawa will bring back there 125 an 250 2 stroke?
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2012, 04:54:32 PM »
Suzuki still makes the 250, just not in the states, I think...
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2012, 09:11:53 PM »
Quote from: cnrcpla on December 30, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
Suzuki still makes the 250, just not in the states, I think...
About six months ago I was at a Suzuki dealership and there was a 250 on the floor. I checked the vin and the 10th character was a letter, I think A or B, so it was definitely built in 2010 or 2011 so even though they were selling them as 2008 models they had been built after that.
For the 2012 season Suzuki Australia had the 125 and 250 listed on their website but I checked the other day and the only two strokes on there now are the 85's so I am assuming that Australia will no longer receive the bigger two strokes :(.
My guess is Suzuki did a small run of two strokes to gauge interest but around here they didn't sell that well and now it looks as though they are pulling the plug in the Australian market.  The story was Suzuki were clearing old stock in their warehouses but that doesn't explain the newer vin number. As the two stroke offerings get less and less the ones that stayed in the game will reap the rewards.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2012, 09:28:55 PM »
Quote from: Stusmoke on December 29, 2012, 09:00:42 PM

I think even the Yamaha beats the husky TC250r though. Which is just plain sad.

I think  the TC250 Husky makes more power than the Suzuki, Honda, and Yamaha. The only ones that make more power, I believe, are KTM, and Kawi.


Quote from: SachsGS on December 29, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
Things were really quiet over at Suzuki and then U.S. Suzuki declared bankruptcy.

That was their automotive business. How is it pertinent to the two stroke discussion?
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2012, 12:49:19 AM »
Quote from: chump6784 on December 29, 2012, 03:44:21 PM
The Yamaha has the lowest power output of any 250f from the big 5 and that is a big deal on a small bore. The buying public are generally pretty dim and if the buying public see James Stewart having trouble on a bike it will turn them off. I rode a backwards engine yzf and hated it but I also didn't like the forward engine yzf either


with their 450 its like this.
because it has a reverse engine, it has a light front end feeling. But since it is a 4 stroke, it has a heavy front end feeling. With that being said, those 2 pushing and pulling against each other cant' make it handle as well as it could, which is why dr. d and many other companies have made a relocation kit.

it has conflicting handling characteristics which made it an odd feeling for some people. I've ridden one and it's a nice bike for sure, has a big feeling, it handled a bit differently but nothing i couldn't adjust to, like with any bike. One weird thing i noticed though was the airbox noise, but that's it. If i had the money i'd have every type of bike. 125/250f/250 2t/450/500/700/800 raptor/etc
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2012, 01:16:34 AM »
Quote from: twosmoke595 on December 30, 2012, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: chump6784 on December 29, 2012, 03:44:21 PM
The Yamaha has the lowest power output of any 250f from the big 5 and that is a big deal on a small bore. The buying public are generally pretty dim and if the buying public see James Stewart having trouble on a bike it will turn them off. I rode a backwards engine yzf and hated it but I also didn't like the forward engine yzf either


with their 450 its like this.
because it has a reverse engine, it has a light front end feeling. But since it is a 4 stroke, it has a heavy front end feeling. With that being said, those 2 pushing and pulling against each other cant' make it handle as well as it could, which is why dr. d and many other companies have made a relocation kit.

it has conflicting handling characteristics which made it an odd feeling for some people. I've ridden one and it's a nice bike for sure, has a big feeling, it handled a bit differently but nothing i couldn't adjust to, like with any bike. One weird thing i noticed though was the airbox noise, but that's it. If i had the money i'd have every type of bike. 125/250f/250 2t/450/500/700/800 raptor/etc


Me too hey. I would love to pick up a 2013 KTM 250SXF along with a 2013 150sx. The 250F I would just want to see how far they've come. Last 250F I rode was an 07 CRF250R (useless POS)
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2012, 03:55:15 AM »
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About six months ago I was at a Suzuki dealership and there was a 250 on the floor. I checked the vin and the 10th character was a letter, I think A or B, so it was definitely built in 2010 or 2011 so even though they were selling them as 2008 models they had been built after that.
For the 2012 season Suzuki Australia had the 125 and 250 listed on their website but I checked the other day and the only two strokes on there now are the 85's so I am assuming that Australia will no longer receive the bigger two strokes :(.
My guess is Suzuki did a small run of two strokes to gauge interest but around here they didn't sell that well and now it looks as though they are pulling the plug in the Australian market.  The story was Suzuki were clearing old stock in their warehouses but that doesn't explain the newer vin number. As the two stroke offerings get less and less the ones that stayed in the game will reap the rewards.
That's a shame, they should test out their 2t's in this day where people seem to be turning towards them. I would probably buy a 2013 RM250, I have wanted one even thought their engine is basically the same as Yamaha YZ engines.
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2012, 08:02:35 AM »
It wont be long crncpla. Its gotta happen soon. Four stonk only companies like Suzuki will have to make a choice in the near future: Go two stroke, or go under.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2012, 08:53:00 AM »
4-5 of my mate all 4 stroke riders are jumping back over the fence and getting 2 strokes , for running cost and fun factor
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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2012, 09:05:09 AM »
2 stroke value is going UP dudes!!

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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2012, 01:58:26 PM »
Quote from: rookie on December 30, 2012, 05:05:09 PM
2 stroke value is going UP dudes!!
Look at the value of a used smoker...  they keep climbing.  Yes the supply is getting smaller, but the demand for smokers is strong, and getting stronger...  I know of several guys (staunch 4 stroke guys) that are looking at picking up a smoker.  They claim its as a 2nd bike...  sure it is...  I foresee them picking up something, rebuilding it and then unloading the stroker... 
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2012, 03:47:40 PM »


Yamaha has the lowest power figure of any of the bikes
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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2012, 04:15:26 PM »
How pertinent? Let's see, if memory serves me right Suzuki didn't import mc's into the U.S. in 2010, U.S. Suzuki goes bankrupt in 2012 (the whole shebang) , suffice to say that the economic health of the entire industrial conglomerate has a direct bearing on the health of the motorcycle division. I'm beginning to see cracks in the armor of all of the big (Japanese) 4 and the resulting cash flow problems will have a big effect on the motorcycles being produced by them.
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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2012, 04:15:41 PM »
three are the same color? or is it just my eyes?
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