Can't believe no one has made a post about this..

[2STROKEREVOLUTION]

With DI and whatnot coming on now,someone is actually wasting time and money to try to build a better carburetor?Seriously?
Kudos to them if it works but it's a shame they're too late.There may be a very small market in retrofits but not much else I expect.Sort of like trying to build a super-horse to replace the car.

I am a big DI proponent, but it is still at least a few years away, IF anybody that "has it" is going to release it.

This carb provides a benefit NOW to all the bikes being ridden. At $400 for the cast version it costs similar to an exhaust but with much more power benefit. Exhausts are a compromise between low end and high.

[2STROKEREVOLUTION]

While it's true DI may be a year or two away the fact of the matter is,modern day carbs are actually pretty darn good.
It's great that a couple of you may want to spend a few hundred to get a little supposed gain but you have to remember that 90% of the dirt bike riding population don't even know  how to jet their bike let alone fit another type of carb and tune it.

One of the benefits of the SmartCarb is that it takes less to jet it. It comes setup mostly perfect and from there there is only one adjustment, that is located externally, to fix any low end bog. From there the carb adjust to altitude and temperature changes.

The market for this product would be so small the only reason I can see for pursuing it would be just because you can.I don't see any money being made.Even if it would jump on to your bike by itself,by then DI would have made it obsolete.

They are already getting many sales of the billet versions ($775) right now, and there is lots of interest for the $350-400 cast ones. Companies like Gas Gas have showed some interest for OEM equipment.

What you have to look at is how it compares to other mods too. Often, people spend $350-400 for an exhaust system. At best they produce 5% more peak power, at the expense of bottom end, or a bottom end gain in expense of top end. Pipes, porting, heads, etc. are all compromises. The SmartCarb is designed to atomize fuel better. This benefits in 10% more top end. Atomizing fuel doesn't only benefit one area though.

You can buy an exhaust and get 5% more peak and lose 5-10% bottom, or buy a SmartCarb and get 10% more EVERYWHERE, while also reducing fuel consumption and get automatic adjustment to atmospheric condition changes. Seems like a no brainer to me for an aftermarket mod.

[ford832]

If it is a "plug and play" unit then it may indeed sell.That said,no one is going to retrofit it to a DI system.I still see a very limited market for a short period of time.I've been wrong once before though........ " title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">..actually,no I haven't-I just thought I'd throw that in there 

[factoryX]

I personally love the idea of riding here at 3600ft and going to the coast the next day without touching anything. If it were cheaper I would pick it up. The gains are almost exactly what High gain tuning projected lmfao, and yet this system is race proven...

[HCE]

cost less then efi will ever
weighs less then efi
simpler and easier to repair then efi on Sunday 60 miles from nowhere

[factoryX]

^.^
It may not have all of the gains that advanced EFI has but its beneficial due to simplicity. Put it on, for get about it...

[TMKIWI]

One of the benefits of the SmartCarb is that it takes less to jet it. It comes setup mostly perfect and from there there is only one adjustment, that is located externally, to fix any low end bog. From there the carb adjust to altitude and temperature changes.
Seems like a no brainer to me for an aftermarket mod.

This carb wont come "mostly setup" any more then a pwk. Every carb needs to be tuned for local conditions.
It might be able to change for altitude but no carb can work the same at 5 deg C as at 30 deg C.

The best aftermarket mod you can do is get an engine tuner to set your squish properly and tune the carb to suit.
And the 10% power increase everywhere is just classic marketing bullshit.

[VintageBlueSmoke]

And the 10% power increase everywhere is just classic marketing bullshit.

If it sounds too good to be true...It probably is.

[Jeram]

if you couldnt get a 10% top end power gain going from a 36mm pwk to a 40mm carb something would be wrong

I trust their 10% claims.

what I dont trust is that they have neglected to remind people that the stock GG carb is a 36mm, and they would have most likely run it against the 40mm smart carb.

There is your 10% gain (or 4hp)

you could get almost the same gains using an oval bored PWK41.5
or identical gains comparing it to a 40mm lectron.


One thing interesting is how many people on KTMtalk in the two stroke section have ordered these carbs. So atleast we will know very soon whether they work well or not.

[Corey]

One of the benefits of the SmartCarb is that it takes less to jet it. It comes setup mostly perfect and from there there is only one adjustment, that is located externally, to fix any low end bog. From there the carb adjust to altitude and temperature changes.
Seems like a no brainer to me for an aftermarket mod.

This carb wont come "mostly setup" any more then a pwk. Every carb needs to be tuned for local conditions.
It might be able to change for altitude but no carb can work the same at 5 deg C as at 30 deg C.

The best aftermarket mod you can do is get an engine tuner to set your squish properly and tune the carb to suit.
And the 10% power increase everywhere is just classic marketing bullshit.

What part of self compensating don't you get?  " title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">

[2T Institute]

The part where these carbs have no air corrector circuit and if a big enough change in RAD occurs the annulus between the main jet and needle needs changing, I don't see how that happens automaticaly.

[TMKIWI]

I am not getting at any of you guys. If you believe in it go get one.
I have been around long enough to know that just because someone says it's true, doesn't mean it is.
If it works great. But I reserve judgment at this time.

[Stusmoke]

I am not getting at any of you guys. If you believe in it go get one.
I have been around long enough to know that just because someone says it's true, doesn't mean it is.
If it works great. But I reserve judgment at this time.

Even though I'm just tuning in now, this has always been my goto response for something that claims a 10% power increase was it?

Come on... That 10% is rather circumstantial don't you think? That would have to be the best case scenario.

Otherwise, I say that until a true Direct Fuel Injection system is brought out, this is a welcome advance. If it works. I'd like to see a more technical explanation of how a carb can automatically adjust for temperature, altitude etc. And I'd DEFINITELY want to see some real to life reviews of it before I go plonking down god-only-knows how many $$ on something that may or may not have the claimed results.

[2STROKEREVOLUTION]

I am not getting at any of you guys. If you believe in it go get one.
I have been around long enough to know that just because someone says it's true, doesn't mean it is.
If it works great. But I reserve judgment at this time.

The reason you aren't getting to us is because the way you are trying to. You say it is no better than a Lectron then provide the reasons why it IS better.

The bottom line is IF it lives up to all the claims, it is well worth the cost and no other mod does the same.

It is okay to be a skeptic because there is little 3rd party testing, that is fine, but you can't attack it by comparing it to something that offers 1/5 the benefits.

So, lets wait and see what people say about it after they use it. And hopefully mags like MXA test it too.

[2STROKEREVOLUTION]

I am not getting at any of you guys. If you believe in it go get one.
I have been around long enough to know that just because someone says it's true, doesn't mean it is.
If it works great. But I reserve judgment at this time.

Even though I'm just tuning in now, this has always been my goto response for something that claims a 10% power increase was it?

Come on... That 10% is rather circumstantial don't you think? That would have to be the best case scenario.

Otherwise, I say that until a true Direct Fuel Injection system is brought out, this is a welcome advance. If it works. I'd like to see a more technical explanation of how a carb can automatically adjust for temperature, altitude etc. And I'd DEFINITELY want to see some real to life reviews of it before I go plonking down god-only-knows how many $$ on something that may or may not have the claimed results.

According to them, Gas Gas factory saw a 14% increase.

Hopefully it is true, but I wouldn't expect 10% for most cases. These are all claims from the factory, so who knows. I am definitely waiting for people to test it and 3rd party dyno testing to be done. By the time the affordable cast version comes out, we should know if it is the real deal.

Even at 5%, that is as much as a good exhaust, without the downsides of an exhaust losing bottom end. And if it can help the jetting issues of the 380, and no re-jetting again, then I'm all for it.