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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2012, 01:15:02 PM »
Aggressive capitalism is a better example. The whole of japan is a fine example of this. Capitalism isn't the problem, its those who abuse it. The race series itself is sort communistic in that everyone would be riding the same bikes, sort of like IROC(AKA tighter racing, or making it into a nascar like sport). What Honda would gain from it would be parents buying only CRF's for their kids to practice on due to the CRF only series.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2012, 05:50:20 PM »
Honda never gives up!
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2012, 09:21:29 PM »
Honda never gives up!
Why would they?
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2012, 05:52:51 AM »
Sorry to be on the other side of the coin for this one guys. I know you (we) want to bash everything 4-stroke, but this is a good idea on many levels.

This is good because it will bring more people into our once mighty sport, one that is dwindling in popularity due to all the competition of all the other "Adventure Sports" and the high cost of competing. It will groom kids to race at the highest levels and possibly give opportunity to kids who might not have had a chance before.

Sure, I'd prefer it to be 2-strokes, but you have to look at the greater good.

While I agree with your point about making it more about the talent then the cheque book, talent still shine through too the people who are looking.
I watched a kid on sunday on a stock small wheel yz85 thrash all the big wheel 85's and 150F's on the main track. And there were some trick bikes.

The thing that pisses me off is they have done it ( This new series ) with a class of bike only 1 manufactor makes. And all the others are not interested in making. :<img src=" title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">
You can buy any colour 85 here you want, as long as it is not red. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2012, 10:55:43 AM »
If they pay for it fine, but in the long run why bother with failed 150 4 strokes? There is a reason why the kx85/100 and the yz85 still exist. And imagine that, a European 85 class for the youth, not only can Honda help support it but so can every god damn obscure company that are currently hiding in some shed across Europe..

I think we are missing something here. This class isn't replacing the EMX 85 class. It is in addition to it. Those kids with MONEY will probably run both classes.

And here's something else: It doesn't matter if the Honda explodes (and it won't). It's covered. These are essentially Rental Bikes, and you don't get to take it home until the end of the season. You don't get to tinker on it or add performance parts. It is really not like a one-make series like the FIA Renault Cup. It is more like the Barber Dodge series; Arrive and Drive. Being that way, it doesn't matter if Honda - the program owner - uses XR's or XL's, CRF's or CR's. Everyone will eat the same turd.

TMKIWI, I agree with you that there must be a place for riders to race all brands against each other - and there is; EMX85. No benefit is given to color (unless it is red and thumps, then it can be 150cc). I also have no love for The Evil Empire (Honda). I think the point that is getting everyone riled up but no one as mentioned is that it is getting top billing even though it is a bottom rung class. The opportunity to run on a GP weekend, on a GP track, in front of GP sponsors and scouts would be worth the entry fee.

For you American's that don't follow the sport across the pond, each country in Europe has a "National Series". It is kind of like a "State Championship" in America. Places like California, Texas and Florida have a meaningful State Championship but most of the other states have a "Regional Championship". In Europe, even a small country like Portugal or Belgium will have a National Championship. The next level up in America is the " AMA National Amateur Championship" (i.e. Loretta Lynn's). Europe however, has a UEM European championship series called EMX. EMX classes include the 65, 85, 125, 250, Open, Women's and Veteran's. The 125 class has an age limit (I think 17) while the 250 and open classes are open to both 2 and 4 strokes. The top of the wrung in America is the AMA (FIM) Pro Series while the rest of the World has the FIM World Championship.

Having this "Support Class" run with the big dogs diminishes the importance of the European UEM Series.

Finally, this has nothing to do with Communism. It is just a marketing ploy (Capitalist) that uses a Monopoly (Capitalist) to showcase their product that just so happens to provide Opportunity (Capitalist) to young riders and uses their massive Influence (Capitalist) in the sport to get a top level venue.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 03:48:14 PM »
Capitalism is supposed to foster diversity and innovation. This sounds like an old East Bloc staged event full of air hammer CZ's.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 04:34:39 PM »
Capitalism is supposed to foster diversity and innovation. This sounds like an old East Bloc staged event full of air hammer CZ's.

It would be communist if we were all assigned an old CZ to race (I wouldn't complain - I would love a new old Zedca to add to my collection). Capitalism only fosters diversity when properly regulated. Capitalism left unchecked or over regulated and Monopolies are created. Monopolies are only communism when it is the government who supplies you.

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Having this "Support Class" run with the big dogs diminishes the importance of the European UEM Series.

What this will look like to the casual observer is not that it is a support class but that this is part of the World Championship. After the individual graphics are applied, no one but those in the know will know that that are ALL Hondas or misinterpet that Honda is better than everyone else. And Honda can't open it up to other manufacturers or kids will show up wit BBR Yamaha's and hand them their ass.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2012, 04:29:02 AM »
They funny thing is that after the series the kids get the bikes for free.  After they blow up and have to be rebuilt at the new owner's expense with HONDA parts, honda will have actually made money!  Pure genious!

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2012, 08:01:41 PM »
I'd be curious to know the production numbers for the CRF150, I wonder if Honda is showing a profit for the thing?

The old CZs are beautiful bikes, I've got a couple.

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