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« on: October 03, 2012, 07:51:23 PM »
I figured while we were on the subject of bike info i would post this
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/CLASSIC-MOTOCROSS-IRON-1973-HONDA-CR250M-ELSINORE-9088.aspx

Announced in October of 1972 and on sale in the USA in March of 1973, the Elsinore was preceded by minimal hype but nevertheless generated great excitement. After all, it was Honda?s first two-stroke and first production motocrosser.

The Elsinore, named after the famous Elsinore Grand Prix, was the lightest production motocrosser in the world, employing the latest available technology and high-tech materials. Compared to the European offerings, the Elsinore was vastly superior in user-friendliness, ergonomics, carburetion, durability and electronics. The CR250M?s molded plastic, satin-finished aluminum and magnesium in the engine cases became the new standard. Elsinores became as popular as free beer.





In late 1972, Honda founder Soichiro Honda met with Don Jones, father of the 1971 and 1972 AMA 250 National Champion Gary Jones. Don said, ?Mr. Honda wanted me to help develop the new Elsinore with Gary and DeWayne as the riders. I was reluctant to switch from Yamaha, as we had helped develop the YZ and were happy with the bike. Soichiro asked me how much we were getting from Yamaha and my accessory business. I told him, and he said, ?I?ll double that.? It was a done deal!? 

At first, Gary and DeWayne struggled with the factory Honda. Reliability issues and poor communication with the factory mechanics were factors. Don told Honda that they didn?t want to race the works bike anymore, but instead wanted to get production CR250Ms and develop them. If not, the Jones gang would quit. Honda agreed to the terms, and Gary Jones went on to win the 1973 AMA 250cc National Championship (and then switched to Can-Am and won again in 1974).



1973 HONDA CR250M FACTS

WHAT THEY COST
Suggested retail in 1973 was $1145. This was close to what the European manufacturers were charging at the time. A piston cost $11.40, and rings were $3.00. This Early Years of Motocross Museum example is valued at $10,000. Recently, an unridden 1974 CR125M sold on Ebay for $17,500.

MODELS
The CR250M and an enduro/street-legal two-stroke model (dubbed the MT250) were the only two-strokes in Honda?s lineup until they were joined by the CR125M in 1974. The CR125 was a bigger success than the CR250, first, because it was a better bike and, second, because American teenagers flocked to the 125 class.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR
Most important is to find an Elsinore with a clean, undented tank. New and original tanks have sold for as much as $2000 on the vintage market. Elsinores came with lightweight finned shocks that were often replaced with Konis. For the collector, stock is best!  Stock-stamped exhaust pipes with the original ribbed silencers, molded side panels and original levers are difficult to source.

PARTS SUPPLY
Try www.hondarestorations.com, or Western Hills Honda at parts@westernhillshonda.net.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 09:17:23 PM »
Don't know about 'electronics' on the 250 as they were points until .....76 I think.  It is highly debateable if the CR was 'better' than say a Husqvana Mag 250 but they were cheaper and had a better dealer network. The CR125 basicaly changed the face of MX. Not without their quirks, they eat second and third gears and gearbox 'explosions' are not uncommon. Gives new meaning to the term 'lightswitch' power delivery.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 03:32:44 AM »
When the CR250 came out I absolutely drooled over it but did not make enough $$$ doing yard work for neighbors to stand a chance of buying one. To this day I would not mind adding one to my collection but 10 grand is STILL to expensive for me!  LoL

One of the coolest looking bikes ever made IMHO.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 04:02:19 PM »
The first thing Jones did with his Elsinore was cut the top frame tube and run it into the side of a building to reduce the rake by 2 degrees so he could get around a corner. Even then it wasn't in the same league as a Maico.

Class leading durability? Shrapnel gearboxes made CZ owners laugh.

Can Ams were way more advanced and the 250 TnT enduro made more and better power. What the Honda was first and foremost was a first shining example of the Japanese PR machine. Proof of this was the fact that the Montesa VR was a better machine and received no hype at all.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 12:14:49 AM »
I would agree with that.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 01:31:10 AM »
honda= game changer.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 02:38:45 AM »
The CR250 was hardly a game changer. It was a good bike at the right time, but there were better bikes already, and within only a few years almost everything was better. The 125, while not a bad bike, was dated within a year.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 02:45:27 AM »
While it may not have carved as well as a Maico, it did come with a BIG dealer network, easy parts availability, and pretty good competence all around and great attention to detail. it WAS quite light for the times, was fast,  and had pretty good legs.  And sold like free beer on sale.

As far as game changer, it was the bike in '72/73 that had all the up to date stuff on it right from the factory from alloy tank, mag engine covers, DID alloy ridgeless rims, plastic fenders, crmo frame, brakes that worked. And a good carburetor.

Nice video of one in action:


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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 03:50:33 PM »
Ha Ha, Steve McQueen hated the Elsinore and couldn't wait to get back on his Husky (how's that for honest advertizing?).

The 1973 Elsinore 250 was another beautifully crafted Honda product but the Japanese game changer was the Yamaha YZ 250.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 04:08:38 PM »
In my humble opinion one of the best bikes ever made.  This was a game channger, in that other MFG took notice and had to step ip their game.

Here was mine, purchased new in 1974, sold in 2007  (check out the "trick" stand)



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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2012, 12:41:39 AM »
Wasn't McQueen more into desert? The elsinore was targeted at MX with no protection on the pipe and a close ratio 5 speed. Not the best for X Country....


Ha Ha, Steve McQueen hated the Elsinore and couldn't wait to get back on his Husky (how's that for honest advertizing?).

The 1973 Elsinore 250 was another beautifully crafted Honda product but the Japanese game changer was the Yamaha YZ 250.
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2012, 04:55:19 PM »
McQueen didn't like the Elsinore's motor.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2012, 05:06:07 PM »
Some interesting thoughts from everyone.

I remember when the Elsinore'e first hit the scene.  Before, everyone would laugh at you if you pulled up
to the line on a Japanese MXer.  Not that there were a lot to choose from, basically the TMs or a modded
DT.  Shortly after they started appearing, the Hondas started winning races and by the next season, the
starting line was littered with them.  Sure, they had problems (just like all the other bikes), but parts
were cheaper and easier to get and I believe that was the big difference.  Race bikes of that era broke
a lot and most of the people that raced them weren't rolling in money (like me).  The $1000 cost of
admission was hard enough - that was a lot of mowed lawns. But the Euros cost quite a bit more and
the parts were expensive and never in stock, at least where I lived.

I had to put in a new top end once a month because of the sand rich environment I raced (FL). Instead
of ordering and waiting for pistons and rings that may or may not arrive before the next race, I wandered
down to my local Honda dealer and picked them up for half the price of the Husky parts I used the year
before.  That was the game changer for me. 

I had a lot of fun and won a bunch of races on my Elsinore.  It fit me like a glove, had a great engine,
alloy rims on Mag hubs, a stout Chrome Moly frame, great brakes and decent suspension right out of
the box.  It also made me a Honda fan for life. 

The CR250M was the first bike I wanted to restore when I started doing that kind of work.  Here is a
picture of my early "73" with a forged crankshaft:



The bike is OE except for metric sized tires.  It is my most prized bike, and the restoration I put the
most "blood, sweat and tears" into.

dogger
 
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 04:40:54 AM »
ANOTHER gorgeous bike dogger! Your work is stunning.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012, 05:21:44 PM »
Thanks!  Here's a before picture  :o



Probably not the best candidate for a restoration.  At least I saved it from the scrap yard.

As one of the first few hundred produced, the bike came with a forged crankshaft.  Production was ramped up so fast that some of
the tooling wasn't complete, so the very early bikes came with forged vs cast crankshafts.  You can tell the forgings from the holes
in the crank halves:



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