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Offline chump6784

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2012 KTM 250sx vs 2007 RM 250 comparison
« on: August 27, 2012, 11:57:19 AM »
After racing the KTM I think decided to write a review and comparison to my 2007 RM 250. How much does 5 years of development really pay off?

Ergonomics. Both bikes feel different but both are comfortable and I could switch between them between moto?s and I don?t think I would have a problem. The KTM is taller and wider around the tank with a harder, flatter seat but that is about it.   
                                                                                                                   
Motor. For a bike with 50 hp the KTM is very smooth. It really feels kind of four stroke like in that the power is very linear with no real snap in the mid range. It is just strong from bottom to top. Heaps more bottom end than the RM. The track was really tight and the fastest part of the track is third gear wide open for about 2-3 seconds so I didn?t really get to test top end but off the line with a concrete start pad I pulled one holeshot and one second. I couldn?t get off the line as quick but hit the dirt and I ripped back through the pack. The hardest thing was keeping the front end down. Definitely a quick motor
 
One thing I did find was how responsive the throttle was. It was like riding an injected 4 stroke, breathe on the throttle and the bike snapped forward, especially coming out of really tight second gear turns.
On those tight second gear turns, the RM had to be clutched to get around them and pull out of them. I found the best way to get the KTM out was no clutch and let the strong bottom pull it out. It resulted in less wheelspin and better drive. Even with a Pro Circuit pipe and R304 muffler the RM doesn?t keep with the KTM and the KTM runs a 13/48 gearing which does hold it back a little out of corners but adds to the tractability

The motor does have a knock to it though. I was sure it was piston slap and was getting really worried so I asked another guy with a KTM 250sx about it and his sounds the same so all good. It also vibrates a lot more than a jap bike but once the gate drops I don?t notice it.

Overall very happy with the motor

Brakes. 260mm of Brembo goodness. Need I say more? No? well I will. One place where I would make up the most ground on anyone was under brakes. I could go in faster and deeper and then just pull the brakes and make the turn much easier than anyone else out there. The only other guy that could come close was on an sx-f, but his heavier bike didn?t stop like mine. Even with a 270mm rotor on my RM it doesn?t come close to the KTM.

Handling. Let me start by saying that at 85kg plus gear both the KTM and RM are sprung too soft for me, especially in the front. Both bikes would dive in the front under brakes and if there were rough braking bumps the front wheel would deflect on both bikes. Once I had heavier springs and valving done in the RM it was much better so I know my first port of call for the KTM.
After practice I was questioning the purchase of the KTM. It just didn?t handle. The front wheel pushed through corners and then once it stuck the back end would come around. Had I got so used to the legendary handling of the RM that the KTM just felt like crap?
I got back to the pits and slid the fork up in the triple clamps a couple mm, checked and readjusted sag and dropped 2 psi out of each tyre. WOW, this was a totally new bike. Think about taking a corner and it was there, rail through the corner, twist the gas and the bike just drove dead straight. There was no fishtailing usually associated with a 2 stroke, the smooth powerband and chassis ment that the bike just hooked up and drove exactly where I wanted it to go. It was kind of like the RM into turns and a 250f on steroids out of turns. The smile on my face was unmissable in the pits after the first moto (where I went from dead last in a first turn pile up to 3rd).
One big improvement of the KTM over the RM is its stability after an over jump. When I had stock suspension on the RM in the event of a big over jump the bike would kick sideways and it would be hard to pull up for the next corner. No matter how big the over jump on the KTM it stayed dead straight and rode straight to the next corner

During the day I made smaller changes to the clickers to get the bike to settle on the ever rougher track and it will be off to get stiffer springs and maybe some valving work and I think it will be the perfect bike.

Overall I am very pleased with the bike. It isn?t night and day better than the RM but it is better and with the right spring rates I think it will be awesome. It does remind me a lot of the late model four strokes, the ergonomics, the tractable power (for a 250 2 stroke) and the stability of the chassis but is still distinctively a 2 stroke. Throw in the detail and quality of the parts that KTM use and I would say hands down that this is the best bike I have ever ridden
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 12:37:42 PM »
Good stuff Chump...

With regards to the engine, run the red PV spring w/brass screw flush w/case, get a 160 main, 40 pilot, Suzuki NECJ in the 3rd... Really transforms the engine. BUT, if you are happy(sounds like you are), run it!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 03:39:19 PM »
How does the linkage WP suspension of the KTM compare to the RM in the really "hacky" parts of the track?
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 08:31:22 PM »
Good stuff Chump...

With regards to the engine, run the red PV spring w/brass screw flush w/case, get a 160 main, 40 pilot, Suzuki NECJ in the 3rd... Really transforms the engine. BUT, if you are happy(sounds like you are), run it!!

Thanks. I was going to start playing around with that stuff but i also really like the smooth powerband. It really gets the power to the ground even with how much is there

How does the linkage WP suspension of the KTM compare to the RM in the really "hacky" parts of the track?
the rear was quite good. It was kicking around a bit under brakes so I slowed down the rebound a couple of clicks for the last moto and it settled it down a bit more. I think you could contribute a lot of that to the front being so soft and allowing the front to dive too much
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 09:51:46 PM »
cool write up glad youre pumped, it's just a little hard to test on race day. ha!
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 11:11:07 PM »
Good stuff Chump, cool write up, glad to see ya hapy with the new beast
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 01:22:02 AM »
Good stuff Chump, cool write up, glad to see ya hapy with the new beast

X2 mate. Nice work. You got any vids for us?
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 04:42:26 AM »
No vids but the missus snapped some photos. Will post up when i get a chance
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 05:13:14 AM »
Good info from a guy who likes both bikes. Your short test info helps KTM and RM fans. I for one did not know the KTM had smooth power through the RPM range. Everything I read about the SX talked about high peak HP. After putting a PC pipe on my YZ250 and not being able to handle the quick response over the stocker I figured I would not like the SX. Based on your report it has a great managable powerband. Good to know.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 05:42:54 AM »
Psh right, peak hp with a 36mm carb >.<
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 07:35:16 AM »
Glad you like it. They do sound like a nice bike.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 03:24:05 PM »
Great write up

Im in the same situation and just tried out a '12 KTM250sx at a local sand track yesterday.

What you said sums it up. I didnt find the handling as precise as the RM on the front so maybe its a setup thing

As for those brakes  :o  I've ridden Jap stuff too long, damn things nearly pitched me several times!
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 08:36:14 PM »
Good info from a guy who likes both bikes. Your short test info helps KTM and RM fans. I for one did not know the KTM had smooth power through the RPM range. Everything I read about the SX talked about high peak HP. After putting a PC pipe on my YZ250 and not being able to handle the quick response over the stocker I figured I would not like the SX. Based on your report it has a great managable powerband. Good to know.
Although the power is smooth there is a lot of it. You still need to be careful with the throttle as it is really responsive but there is just not the "hit" of the jap bikes

here is a spreadsheet graph i have made up of different bikes from dyno charts and MXA's dyno readings over time. You will notice how smooth the KTM power band is and no other bike on the chart ever beats it.



yes i know not all dyno charts read the same and conditions will affect readings but this is what i have got.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2012, 10:34:05 AM »
Just looking at that graph makes me scoff at the powerbands of four strokes. And the lack of power compared to the 250s. It astounds me how people can possibly defend their purchase of a 250F
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 10:58:58 AM »
Just looking at that graph makes me scoff at the powerbands of four strokes. And the lack of power compared to the 250s. It astounds me how people can possibly defend their purchase of a 250F

The problem Stu is they (250F's) go round a track faster then dyno figures show.
Power is not everything.
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