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Offline kim wedding

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2012, 04:08:03 AM »
nom just so you know i'm a full grown man. i know you'r trying to start a arguement over someone trying to drop some knowledge on you.Again i'm going to say anything that helps CUT THE EMISSIONS ON A 2 STROKE IS  KICK ASS as for as the price. I DONT CONTROL IT. As far as it sounds to me your the one all pissed off and crying. As far as i'm concerned everything i can learn about helping 2strokes is worth knowing and telling others. gpnewhouse7, i posted about 93 cr's on a post that's question was whats your bike and your dream bike. My dream bike is a 93 cr framed bike and my point was'nt that you have to like my choice.My point was that if you can't get or build a killer bad 2 stroke get a 4 stroke. When you said about paying more to help up grade the 2stroke to go and  get a 4$ instead, you dissed yourself if you'r a true 2stroke rider.  Me personally nothing and i mean nothing could or will stop me from learning or fighting for 2strokes, so one more time, LET ALL US KIDDIE'S GET ALONG OR MOMMA WILL HAVE TO SEPERATE US.
   
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2012, 04:30:45 AM »
What knowledge Kim? How to spend a huge sum of money? Then great, dominate!! If you are going to do it, then do it already and get back with a ride report on how it has improved your ride quality? If it suppose to be the cure all of 2 strike ills then I am all for it. Rock on with the Micro Blue and win!
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2012, 06:41:27 AM »
how exactly does the micro blue reduce emmisions?

they tried running the micro blue AMA YZ250 at 100:1 and it siezed.

while some people run stock KTM 300's at 60:1 without dramas.
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2012, 09:53:46 AM »
Geez this threads gone crazy lol.
I for one want to try the micro blue ceramic bearings in my gear box, wheels and my mains. Not for any power increase but less friction ie heat and a longer service life.
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2012, 12:04:33 PM »
your the first person to mention longer service life...
absolutely the best gain IMO

Id been keen to see if you could get the big end and small end bearings done plus the crank pin, gudgeon pin and even the contact surfaces of the connecting rod.

Im pretty sure they can do it ;)
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2012, 02:26:54 PM »
If you want to cut emissions, make sure you're using a big enough main jet...

You want to let as much clean, fresh air through the jets as possible. Small jets will hold back some of the clean, fresh air.

ALSO and this, it's very ipmortant the big fat pilot jet.

It's environmentally retarded.
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2012, 03:19:31 PM »
I don't understand the perceived persecution problem. Someone wants to try a perhaps unproven process. Others chime in with their opinions. Then it sounds like feathers are ruffled.

What could have been an interesting thread is not. *sigh*
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2012, 05:32:12 PM »
Quote from: kim wedding on August 20, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
nom just so you know i'm a full grown man. i know you'r trying to start a arguement over someone trying to drop some knowledge on you.Again i'm going to say anything that helps CUT THE EMISSIONS ON A 2 STROKE IS  KICK ASS as for as the price. I DONT CONTROL IT. As far as it sounds to me your the one all pissed off and crying. As far as i'm concerned everything i can learn about helping 2strokes is worth knowing and telling others. gpnewhouse7, i posted about 93 cr's on a post that's question was whats your bike and your dream bike. My dream bike is a 93 cr framed bike and my point was'nt that you have to like my choice.My point was that if you can't get or build a killer bad 2 stroke get a 4 stroke. When you said about paying more to help up grade the 2stroke to go and  get a 4$ instead, you dissed yourself if you'r a true 2stroke rider.  Me personally nothing and i mean nothing could or will stop me from learning or fighting for 2strokes, so one more time, LET ALL US KIDDIE'S GET ALONG OR MOMMA WILL HAVE TO SEPERATE US.
 

I love my two strokes BUT the reason I love them is that I can be competitive with minimal cost. If two strokes had to have thousands spent on them to be competitive with four strokes and it became cheaper to ride a four stroke I would happily have one (quite liked the 250 rmz I tried last weekend). If you open your eyes a little you'll realize that the chances of you becoming a pro motocrosser are worse than your chances of winning the lottery, so why not race as cheaply as possible, there's nothing wrong with the 450 four stroke motocrosser's of today, they're just expensive to rebuild when things go wrong thats all.

And in term's of you not telling people what to ride, here is a quote of what you ACTUALLY SAID.

 "i have a 2007 honda cr125.my dream bike is a 1993 reinforced chromoly steel framed case reed motor with a 6 speed transmission, showa suspension,2007 rear fender 2007 or newer front fender honda cr125 or honda cr250 with the same components and a cr500 built the same  any rider who doesnt like that should ride a 4$ they desirve it".

See my point?
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2012, 06:39:32 PM »
I'm the one who started this post and if i made it sound like you all should ride my dream bike.I'm SORRY!!! If i made you mad in any way. I'm sorry can't say it enough times to please everyone. My hope with this posting was to tell people where to get the coating's and the cost of the coating's.I never said they added performance, never said they made the bikes last longer. I said their suppost to CUT EMISSION'S and i dont know for a fact that they work. I was hopeing anyone who's done the coating's would post their results,as well as any other technologies out there. such as the one guy who posted about  the cryogenic process. Again i'm gonna say, anything that improves the emissions on a 2stroke is a good thing. I can't control the prices companies charge for their product,i wish they would give it away for free,HELL i wish they would pay me to use it. Unfortunitly their not gonna give it away for free or pay me or you to use it. If the cost bothers you so much go get the 4$ you talked about, ride it, love riding it.  I for one hope someone will make 2 strokes cleaner burning and if it's a magic elixir cool or if it comes from hard work cool. Either way i'm hopeing someone gets the job done.Besides close course racing machines are suppost to be exzempt from the e.p.a and if they are, why are so many bike companie's not making them and screaming we're the GREEN COMPANY! One more thing i dont have money to waste on crap.I started this post because no one told the price of the coating's,maybe i was alittle optimistic about the price of it. Just got excited about maybe someone had solved the emission problem for 2 strokes.Besides the truth is if it cost 1,500 dollars more to keep riding my 2stroke,i'm not happy about it but would pay it. So everyone let's calm down and remember this is a 2stroke site. If you'r on it it's because you like 2 strokes? That's why i on this site,not to start a fight BUT TO LEARN ALL THAT'S OUT THERE ABOUT 2STROKES AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT WORKS TO KEEP ALL US 2STROKE RIDERS RIDING OUR 2STROKES.
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2012, 07:18:12 PM »
Kim, its fine you just need to relax a little and work on the way in which you put your ideas across, also the EPA will not stop closed course racing. If they did that they would have to stop F1, NASCAR, Moto GP and THOUSANDS of other motorsprts and championships, no government in their right mind would let them do that, they'd be out next election and whoever offered to bring them back would be in.

Yes the EPA are putting pressure on the manufacturers to reduce their machine's emissions, but they cannot and never will be able to stop you riding and racing your two stroke.

The only thing the two strokes are currently in need of to allow their dominance of motocross to make a comeback is either some common sense in the AMA (doubtful that will happen) or a huge breakthrough in performance allowing them to become more than double the power of an equally sized four stroke. Currently there are no miracle parts (available or up and coming) that can acheive this, so until that special piece of the jig saw comes along we will all have to make do with the bikes we have and dream of the bikes we wish we had.

I am however on the case of trying to find that miracle piece, after years of hard work at high school I have landed myself a scholarship to a top private school to do Maths, Further Maths and Physics which then follows on to pay for my University fee's so I can study Structural stress or Automotive engineering with a hope of one day bringing the smoker's back (with avengence) to motocross and superbike racing.

So as you can see I'm not here for arguments (I'm here for new ideas), but when someone appears to be telling me what I should ride I get annoyed very quickly (I get enough of that from the local pricks who take the piss out of me for having a headlight on my bike).
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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2012, 08:09:35 PM »
Nom you asked what knowledge i gave you? Did you know the cost of the micro blue coating's before i posted it. Also i never said i was a pro or gonna be one,just a 2 stroke mx rider and damn happy to be one.gpnewhouse7 my post was alittle vague about my dream bike, not trying to tell anyone what to ride.so again SORRY FOR ANY MISUNDERSTANDING. Hope you do well in school and achieve greatness.One more thing if 2 strokes never get any cleaner than they are right now us riders aren't hurting anything by riding them ,if they never get any faster or more powerful i'd still rather ride a 2 stroke. I dont care if a 4$ is faster,besides if i wanted more power all i have to do is buy a bike with more displasment. I totally relate to you about someone telling you what ride to ride. I'm six foot tall weigh 175 pounds and people always tell me to get a bigger bike. I tell them this is the bike i love to ride and hope they love riding their bike as much as i love riding mine. I hope now were all in the same revolution. The revolution to ride.
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2012, 08:27:44 PM »
Dogger315 when you posted about the cryo-rem process you told the cost but not who to contact about the process. sounds interesting.
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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2012, 11:39:55 PM »
A google search of "Cryo-Rem" will come back with a few companies who do this process. Once such company is http://www.evansperformance.com/home2.html. I sent my stuff there and they do excellent work.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2012, 01:52:45 AM »
Cenrtal Village is nice... I didn't make it to the turkey run this year though... Working sucks  :( I will be there for a few races before the season closes, so through up some 2T signs racer x  ;D

On a side note, the only sure fire way to make two strokes come back is kick the crap out of four strokes. Show people how awesome two strokes are by beating them. It's as simple as that. No need for thousands of dollors to make a machine fast. It was a very interesting idea though Kim, thanks for educating me about this stuff I had no idea what it was before this thread.  :)
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2012, 02:53:51 AM »
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when you posted about the cryo-rem process you told the cost but not who to contact about the process. sounds interesting.
Check out dbf498's post - Evans is the place I use.  They are primarily into auto racing, but they have
coated several of my engines and they do a super job for a reasonable price.  For instance, if you
just want the REM (micro polishing process) done, the cost is around $250 for pretty much everything
that rotates.  The Cryo process is designed to strengthen the metal and provide a more durable part.
The reason I mentioned this process in my response to you was the Micro Blue folks believe the REM
process is a good fit with Micro Blue.  I think I may send some parts from my next engine build to
them to see whats up.

dogger
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