Renner RedBuuuuddd! on the 125.

[monsteryz125]

I dont see why a factory backed 125 with a good 2 stroke rider couldnt be at least somewhat competitive, renner was on what im assuming was a bike that was damn near stock and he doesnt race every weekend and finished 31st, i dont think its unreasonable to think a factory backed 125 could top 10 if not at least top 15

[Lolerbabop]

USA... 

[Swimr2DaResQ]

A full factory YZ125 would cost Yamaha half of what it takes to support a YZ250F for a full season! Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable! Two strokes continue to dominate the off-road world. Look at the top guys racing GNCC, Hare Scrambles, etc... all on two strokes!!! MX needs two strokes, give Privateers a chance to be competitive without going bankrupt on overpriced, overweight, ticking time bombs! AMA/FIM governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake up, equal displacement would not mean the death of four strokes, only full gates at races. Privateers would be competitive, different conditions would favor different bikes (ie..2T vs. 4T), it would really revive the off-road and MX motorcycle market, and encourage forward thinking in terms of design an innovation amongst manufacturers!

[Cheb44]

A full factory YZ125 would cost Yamaha half of what it takes to support a YZ250F for a full season! Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable! Two strokes continue to dominate the off-road world. Look at the top guys racing GNCC, Hare Scrambles, etc... all on two strokes!!! MX needs two strokes, give Privateers a chance to be competitive without going bankrupt on overpriced, overweight, ticking time bombs! AMA/FIM governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake up, equal displacement would not mean the death of four strokes, only full gates at races. Privateers would be competitive, different conditions would favor different bikes (ie..2T vs. 4T), it would really revive the off-road and MX motorcycle market, and encourage forward thinking in terms of design an innovation amongst manufacturers!

AMEN to that.

[Super Trucker]

Awesome ride RENNER, I can,t imagine the fun you had tearing it up in front of the REDBUD crowd . Sounds like the crowd was louder for ya than a des nations or national winner.    That,s what riding is all about, riding a super fun 125, but at a national that,s HUGE. Easily this is the biggest thing to happen in mx, in a long time.  I bet 7,000 people at REDBUD are looking for a 125 today .  Renner tearing the track up, is permently burned into there memory. Too bad the extreme heat moved out, when the heat index was over 100, a top 20 would be possible from a Florida rider. A 31st is still a great ride tho.

[factoryX]

Even with him not taking it really seriously, he stilled managed to pull 34th overall, on a practically stock bike. I don't get it..

[cnrcpla]

Maybe he should start taking it seriously 

[downonmonday]

That was really good riding. Someday I hope thing will change, maybe a revolution in the motocross world?

[Stusmoke]

A full factory YZ125 would cost Yamaha half of what it takes to support a YZ250F for a full season! Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable! Two strokes continue to dominate the off-road world. Look at the top guys racing GNCC, Hare Scrambles, etc... all on two strokes!!! MX needs two strokes, give Privateers a chance to be competitive without going bankrupt on overpriced, overweight, ticking time bombs! AMA/FIM governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake up, equal displacement would not mean the death of four strokes, only full gates at races. Privateers would be competitive, different conditions would favor different bikes (ie..2T vs. 4T), it would really revive the off-road and MX motorcycle market, and encourage forward thinking in terms of design an innovation amongst manufacturers!

AMEN to that.

X2 and well said. Completely true aswell. Pro riders can ride their foopers all they want but for the love of god let a privateer race the 125. What are they gonna do? No matter how good they were, they can't win a race. Disagree? Pro riders are the best known to the world AND they would have the advantage of horsepower, easier riding and a track tailored to their riding style. Stacked up against a bloke paying for it out of his own bank on a machine thats harder to ride, slower for what its worth and on a track they can't exploit. All its doing is giving the privateers a fair go. All of the above was talking about PRO AMA racing in case you didn't get that.

Oh yeah I forgot... AMA doesn't give a s***. Sad isn't it? Sad but at the same time amusing that the big players are so terrified of all their bribes and fooper troopers going to waste in one race where the two stroke wins out.

Even with him not taking it really seriously, he stilled managed to pull 34th overall, on a practically stock bike. I don't get it..

Kids got talent I tell you. No two ways about it.

Maybe he should start taking it seriously 

If he started placing higher he would probably get an offer of a minor sponsorship or something. Man that would be super.

[factoryX]

Maybe he should start taking it seriously 

If he started placing higher he would probably get an offer of a minor sponsorship or something. Man that would be super.

^Exactly...

[VintageBlueSmoke]

You realize that if a 2 stroke started doing well, they would eliminate its eligability from the class, don't you? As long as the 2T's stay out of the top 15, we will be "allowed" to participate. As soon as we start doing well, it will become a 4-stroke only class - like in Europe.

Europe hosts the "World Championship" but it also has it's own "European" Championship. In it, they have a 125 2T, a 250F and a 450F class. I think you have to be under 24 to ride the 125.

[factoryX]

Which again we come to AMA politics and BS advancements of motocross.

[Stusmoke]

And to complete the circle; we have the jerks that sit around a silver table sipping expensive water telling us what we should ride. For the sole reason that it makes them more money. Why the hell would they want to sell a bike that they basically only get the profit from sales on when they could get not only an increased profit from sales but more money for replacement parts. Some may call it good business but unfortunately good business can also be defined as being a jerk.

But it begs the question: What if honda sold 1000 CRF250s/450s world wide in a whole year but KTMs sales figures for the 125/250SX was massive? if It happened twice in a row honda would hit hte drawing board so fast they'd go bankrupt from purchasing new whiteboard markers.

The big guys don't care what we want, they're loyal to their next Christmas bonus and thats about it.

But WOW has this gotten off topic, good on you Renner.

You realize that if a 2 stroke started doing well, they would eliminate its eligability from the class, don't you? As long as the 2T's stay out of the top 15, we will be "allowed" to participate. As soon as we start doing well, it will become a 4-stroke only class - like in Europe.

Europe hosts the "World Championship" but it also has it's own "European" Championship. In it, they have a 125 2T, a 250F and a 450F class. I think you have to be under 24 to ride the 125.

Sucks doesn't it?

[gpnewhouse7]

Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable!

He did get his butt kicked by four guys he usually smoked on the 250f though! That just shows how stupid the rules are doesn't it when a FACTORY 125 can't even match the pace of the 250f`s. Hats off to Renner and Roczen though for giving these little bikes another try but under the current bullshit a 125 won't be taking the top step of any podium in either the World MX2 or the American Nationals/Supercross. Sad but true.

[factoryX]

That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.