Local sanctioning body discriminating against the 2T

[streaks383]

[streaks383]

Here is the bike

[snowboarderro]

nice bike,your right in my opinion

[burn1986]

You are dealing with complete local morons. They are giving you the shaft. Man, what idiots!

[VintageBlueSmoke]

First, you have to determine if CRA is conforming to the AMA rules or running their own "hybrid" rules. Either way, you have a conflicting rule, the way I see it.

The 2011 AMA Amateur Rule Book...

(http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx)

...does not have a "450 4-stroke class. It states in section 1.3.J.2 that the only displacement classes are: 125cc (122cc-125cc 2-stroke only), 250cc (122cc-250cc), Open (122cc-open). This means the only class you are eligible for is the Open class (or one of the age classes).

If it is a Pro/Am event, there are only 2 classes: 250 (122cc-250cc) & Open (122cc-open).

Only in AMA Pro Racing is there a 450 4-stroke class and then you wouldn't be a C rider (pro classes are not broken into ability classes). I can't get the AMA Professional rules link to come up but I seem to remember 2-strokes are limited to 250cc so your bike would be ineligible.

There is no mention of a "Rule #38 The machine must remain in the class in which it was originally manufactured."

[burn1986]

Like I said, they're idiots. There's no way they're using AMA Pro Rulebooks. Either way, a 250 2-stroke is only meant for the 450 class, since this is what it was designed for, regardless if it's 300cc. A 250 would be eligible for the 250F class if amatuer rules were allowed, but this is not the class it was originally intended for. If Yamaha is involved, then I'm pretty sure they would be briefed on the rules for the local racing CRA. Of course when you deal with bozos, they don't understand logic and common sense.

[MXLord327]

I agree, complete idiots.  You must be able to pull some massive holeshots against 250f's though!!!

[streaks383]

First, you have to determine if CRA is conforming to the AMA rules or running their own "hybrid" rules. Either way, you have a conflicting rule, the way I see it.

The 2011 AMA Amateur Rule Book...

(http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx)

...does not have a "450 4-stroke class. It states in section 1.3.J.2 that the only displacement classes are: 125cc (122cc-125cc 2-stroke only), 250cc (122cc-250cc), Open (122cc-open). This means the only class you are eligible for is the Open class (or one of the age classes).

If it is a Pro/Am event, there are only 2 classes: 250 (122cc-250cc) & Open (122cc-open).

Only in AMA Pro Racing is there a 450 4-stroke class and then you wouldn't be a C rider (pro classes are not broken into ability classes). I can't get the AMA Professional rules link to come up but I seem to remember 2-strokes are limited to 250cc so your bike would be ineligible.

There is no mention of a "Rule #38 The machine must remain in the class in which it was originally manufactured."

The CRA is running their own rules www.racecra.org I mentioned the AMA only because I am eligible to race my bike under a national sanction, but at my local sanction I can not.

[VintageBlueSmoke]

The 2011 AMA Pro Racing rule book is at:

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdfhttp://www.racecra.org/Portals/54/2011%20CRA%20Rule%20Book%20.pdf

38. The machine must remain in the class in which it was originally manufactured.

Motorcycle Classes:
2 Stroke .......................... 125cc - open
250B ......... 125cc-250cc Intermediate
250C ............... 125cc-250cc Beginner
450B ... 251cc-unlimited Intermediate
450C ......... 251cc-unlimited Beginner

Further more, it states:

The 250cc 2 stroke is NOT permitted in any 450cc class

Can't win this one. I would stay in the 250 class where you have an advantage or run the 2-stroke only class.

[streaks383]

The 2011 AMA Pro Racing rule book is at:

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdfhttp://www.racecra.org/Portals/54/2011%20CRA%20Rule%20Book%20.pdf

38. The machine must remain in the class in which it was originally manufactured.

Motorcycle Classes:
2 Stroke .......................... 125cc - open
250B ......... 125cc-250cc Intermediate
250C ............... 125cc-250cc Beginner
450B ... 251cc-unlimited Intermediate
450C ......... 251cc-unlimited Beginner

Further more, it states:

The 250cc 2 stroke is NOT permitted in any 450cc class

Can't win this one. I would stay in the 250 class where you have an advantage or run the 2-stroke only class.

I figure I have all the bases covered and can win this one, The 450 class is what my bike was manufactured to compete in per Yamaha, It is 300cc (295 actually) so it is not a 250cc 2 stroke, and it is above the 251cc for the class.  What am I not in compliance with?

[miedosoracing]

I don't get it. What's wrong with racing the 250 class? Why do you have to say it's a 300cc? It says YZ250, race it like that.   They'd have to do a teardown.  Never seen one done.    Is that cheating?  Is a 450F  against a 250cc cheating?  

[ACMX]

Woah woah woah. His bike had a bigger advantage so they made him race the slower four stroke? That totally makes sense.

[streaks383]

I don't get it. What's wrong with racing the 250 class? Why do you have to say it's a 300cc? It says YZ250, race it like that.   They'd have to do a teardown.  Never seen one done.    Is that cheating?  Is a 450F  against a 250cc cheating?  

Nothing is wrong with the 250C class, they are nice kids.  However they will also kill you for a trophy.  They have more Kamakazi pilots than the WWII Japanese navy and race like they are Chad and Bubba chasing millions.  I am 30 now and not fast enough for a vet class yet.  I want to move there if I can find my speed.  450C here (for the most part) are guys like me, with similar skill levels who are out racing to have a good time.  They have jobs to go to monday morning and they don't feel the need to knock each other down at every chance.  

On the moral note, I know not everyone feels the same.  I know I could get away with racing the 250 class, no one wants to post a $250 protest fee they may lose at a local 250C race.  But I just don't have a warm and fuzzy about putting a 300cc 2T which has almost the BHP of a 450 against a 250f.  Heck the stock 250 2T has 10 BHP over a 250f.  Aside from that I spent the money to have the thing built for the 450 class.  But mostly I don't want to be taken out, I am too old for that now, I do this for fun.  If you beat me that means you were faster, hats off to you, I will have a beer with you and try to get you next time, but I will NOT go out of my way to knock you down.  The 14-17 year old crowd does not really feel the same way.

[citabjockey]

What a great attitude. Unless you are doing the racing for a living (and maybe even then) this is the way it should be approached. Hats off to you sir!

But mostly I don't want to be taken out, I am too old for that now, I do this for fun.  If you beat me that means you were faster, hats off to you, I will have a beer with you and try to get you next time, but I will NOT go out of my way to knock you down.  The 14-17 year old crowd does not really feel the same way.

[burn1986]

Well, that sucks. The CRA is worthless. I guess we all have a new enemy.