Husqvarna X-torq two stroke engine! 4 stroke killer??? yes!

[ford832]

No pv's on saws.
TotalNZ,once you admit Stihls are junk you'll feel much better
As for vibration,it makes a difference when your hands are buggered.My stihl never bothered me until they got bad but once that way,the husky spring system is much better than stihls rubber isolators.Last going off,I could only use the stihl for a 1/2 hour before my hands were numb,my Jred still numbs them but only slightly and I can go for hours.The emissions thing on both is a curse.It figures the epa would target saws and lawn and garden stuff rather than go after industry.From cat mufflers to fixed jets with super lean settings-bah.Fortunately,the jred was easily modified and just had locks on the screws,from what I"m told,some of the newer Stihls have a fixed high speed.
As for which is better,from owning both and having various apart I'd say they're both good saws though Stihl is of a slightly higher quality but I find the huskies nicer to use-and you're not cleaning the filter every tank.More importantly,the jred/huskies scream while the stihls have that lower sped "four strokish" sound
Shame on you

[TotalNZ]

Have to agree on most of your points there ford832, except the stihl being junk that is.
The spring vibration dampener must be the better system cause the new style Stihl's have it.
As far as emissions and limiter caps on carbs, we don't have that problem in NZ yet thank god.
A new saw here is un tampered with and comes stock with a dual port muffler.
Do you work in the bush?

[ford832]

Nope,I work in a garage.I used to though-logs and pulp.After I started working in a garage, I'd take my vacation in the winter and go cutting.That worked out ok until the wife kiboshed it-figured I should go somewhere with her instead I guess.Now I just do it for fun or for my own use.You're lucky yours don't come restricted.It's not that you can't derestrict it but it's a pain in the a$$ to have to do it-and they don't run properly until you do.Mine ran lean and hot and wouldn't open up.I don't know how they expect people to use them that way-of course,no one does.I always liked my Stihl.So much so that eventually my father and bro in law bought the same machine-then I bought the Jred and naturally,had to continuously tell them what a POS the Stihls were-lol

[bearorso]

This would come under the heading of AST /FAST - as written about in:

http://www.dirt-bike-tips-and-pics.com/the-experimental-motorcycle-association.html

This is an aditional page on from 'the future of 2 strokes" one on Dirt Bike Tips & Tricks website.

All an interesting read, although the proposition of placing the swingarm pivot in front of the countershaft sprocket is a real blot on the posting - suspension action Would be horendous, I don't know what he is thinking.

Going for long swingarm is a great idea, but not the SA pivot / CS positioning that is proposed. Think of a concentric SA /CS pivot with an extra long swingarm (for positioning, see side on pics of the engine mount forward of the CS on a BMW450, this would give the long swingarm, central pivot location he seems to be proposing, and limit the engines effect on the suspension that CS can give- though not all like that), with the tilted engine he mentioned earlier. You'd get the pipe out of the way as well, thus reducing another problem a lot of people throw up at 2 strokes - easily damaged pipes.

There is a lot to come from 2ts, it's just whether or not a company will make a move.The one that does so, stands to really reap the rewards. With KTM faffing about, perhaps Yamaha, the Japanese MC maker that has shown it's tendency to innovate, may get a modern 2t out before them. I'm probably dreaming though. 

[maicoman009]

I have to agree with ya Ford832 except when you say Husky's are a better saw than a Stihl ! Husqvarna chain saws are full of cheap plastic knobs & they have been known to break off.I have to say that the Stihl brand is a slightly better & higher quality saw.Everything else that you stated such as BMW owning Husqvarna as well as the other info you gave is 100% correct & I thank you for educating the others on here who did'nt know.

[Helmut Clasen]

Talking about smoking 2 strokers.
I am using on almost all my 2 stroke bikes a LECTRON carb and mix OPTI 2 Oil 100-1.
Ergo,no smoke...

[ford832]

Cool,Lectrons are a blast from the past-for me anyway.As for the mix ratio,I've never been that brave
As for the husky/stihl thing,yeah I know.They both last well but if you tear into them and see things like stihls aluminum oil pump set up and huskies plastic ones-well,you get the idea.On another side note,it seems recently the stihl/husky debate has been resolved on both sides by many who have gone to Dolmar-certainly not like the old sachs dolmar of old.One of those may be my next just to see what all the hubbub is about

[meger z]

Talking about smoking 2 strokers.
I am using on almost all my 2 stroke bikes a LECTRON carb and mix OPTI 2 Oil 100-1.
Ergo,no smoke...

more info on this please 

[JohnN]

This should help a little....

http://www.lectronfuelsystems.com/technical_info.htm

[reefmuncher]

I'm totally a fan after watching those X-torq vids, such a cool simple idea why no one thought before and why the concept isn't on other motorbikes is amazing!!

Anyway it's all good timing as we've been taking about getting a Stihl hedge trimmer, but I'm swaying towards the Husky now in a big way. Figured we'd order a lawn mower and strimmer as well maybe someone would give a slight discount if we order a bunch of stuff.

I stopped by a mate who has a landscaping business and he was pushing me strong onto the Stilh's which he uses through and through. Everytime I mentioned the Husky he didn't want to hear it!! But I really like the look of the Husky's and after reading the emissions spec I'm sold on the Husky's! I know I'll get an earful when I show up with a Husky, got a feeling he's got a good relationship with the Stihl dealer!!

I'd go against the grain and get the fourstroke strimmer over the twostroke as sucking in fumes doesn't seem like a bright idea really. If anyone has anything to add to the Husky's would be nice to hear!!

[ford832]

You can't go wrong with a husky :)As for the fumes,I like it but even if I didn't,I'd sooner smell that that drag around the 4t weight all day.

[reefmuncher]

You can't go wrong with a husky :)As for the fumes,I like it but even if I didn't,I'd sooner smell that that drag around the 4t weight all day.

good to hear, Husky it'll be!! 

yeah I get headaches from the fumes after a while, when I used to race by mid afternoon I'd have a splitting headache from the fumes of A747! I like it at first but after a bit the head hurts!