Anyone Watching the Supercross this Saturday?

[Hondacrrider]

I know, I know, it won't have any two strokes, and if there are any two strokes, and if they are, they most likely won't make the main. Yes, supercross, is not as exciting, as, say in 2004, but, it still involves dirtbikes!
I mean, we(well, at least I do) love dirt bikes, I mean, ya, the bikes do cost more, sure, the factories rule the roost, but, the sport is still quite spectacular, you must admit, it may be cookie cutter, but it is still our sport, I mean, four strokes still have their advantage. No offense to anyone, but, some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way, enjoy the fact that we are still allowed to ride our two strokes, we may not be able to watch them being ridden by proffessionals, but, we still get to see some pretty cool stuff. Just look at last years Anaheim 1, It was full of surprises, who would have thought that James and Chad would crash and James would have to leave the race, and who would have thought that an almost unknown would win a supercross main, with a barrier bag stuck in his wheel, if you don't find that exciting, well then, I give up.

[Recovered]

I'm going to watch it, because right now that's all we have.

It's quite naive to think we sound like 2 year olds because we are not getting our way. It's sad that the youth of our sport have no idea of it's history. If they did, they wouldn't tolerate the half of what is going on. Here's what you said, in your words.

1. SX and MX is "cookie cutter". That's true. Because the 4T has been forced on us, the tracks are changed and the whole thing is silly.
2. It's not "our" sport. It is the sport of the manufacturers. The majority of tehose involved at the professional level are glorified puppets. In reality, the majority have ZERO say in what happens in SX and MX.
3.  It's not the the 2T isn't competitive. The powers on high won't allow competition.
4. It's worth repeating. The 4T has done absolutely nothing for our sport. It has raised costs for all involved, made the show boring, caused tracks and riding areas to close because of noise and has stopped countless kid the ability to ride/race simple because costs are too much.
5. I HATE the 4T. I always will. I don't care who knows it, and who doesn't like it. I have FACTS on my side. I don't tell the half of the nightmare of the 4T competition engine.

To continue to apologize for 2T's is to stand there and shoot yourself in the head. Day after day. 4T lovers (for the most part) are defiantly militant.  The factories laugh at the spineless, jellyfish American consumer.

Yes, I'm going to watch. But I will NEVER join the AMA, participate in ANY event sanctioned by AMA or apologize for teh 2T.

[Hondacrrider]

Yes, but what I am saying, is that people are going to extremes, of not even going to motocross, or riding at all because four strokes are more popular and the rules are favored towards the 4$troke. I think this is ridiculous, whether a dirt bike is a 2 stroke or a 4, IT IS STILL A DIRTBIKE! IT IS STILL A FRICKING AWESOME INVENTION! Sorry for yelling, but, we are complaining so much of the 4t's, but why? I think we should still stick to the sport like glue, just do so in a different kind of way, meaning, ride our "dated" two stroke machines at the track, and in general just support 2 strokes, but I don't think we should leave Motocross/Supercross just because things are unfair, that is what I meant by some of us being spoiled 2 year olds.

[KXwestYZ]

"some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way,"

In reality the people who are putting their fingers in their ears and screaming like spoilt children are the 4 stroke advocates, clinging onto the unfair 2 x engine size for dear life cos they know as soon as the record is put straight and we get fair and equal displacement rules their charade will be over big time and its long overdue for happening.

Without having the rules unfairly bent in the 4 strokes favour their crappy bikes can't handle taking on the might of a  2 stroke, they are running scared thats for sure!

In the UK we didnt leave motocross / supercross we started our own series that bypassed the criminals at our equivelent of the AMA, and believe me that Red Bull Pro National Series is going to grow and grow til we overtake the bent one

[Hondacrrider]

"some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way,"

In reality the people who are putting their fingers in their ears and screaming like spoilt children are the 4 stroke advocates, clinging onto the unfair 2 x engine size for dear life cos they know as soon as the record is put straight and we get fair and equal displacement rules their charade will be over big time and its long overdue for happening.

Without having the rules unfairly bent in the 4 strokes favour their crappy bikes can't handle taking on the might of a  2 stroke, they are running scared thats for sure!

In the UK we didnt leave motocross / supercross we started our own series that bypassed the criminals at our equivelent of the AMA, and believe me that Red Bull Pro National Series is going to grow and grow til we overtake the bent one

Sounds Awesome, now, that is what we need, a new series, althought I have heard that their is a new one being started up!

[KXwestYZ]

Yeah I hope so to dude - I read comments about dirt bikes all over the net and people arent fooled by the 4 stroke crap, this issue isnt going to go away!! 

[Hondacrrider]

Yeah I hope so to dude - I read comments about dirt bikes all over the net and people arent fooled by the 4 stroke crap, this issue isnt going to go away!! 

I don't know, there are many people fooled, look on youtube, youtube has so many brilliant minds, I gotta say...jk of course!

[2smoker]

To see Bubba Stewart winning by 2 laps and Reed finishing 2nd? Just LOL. With the Speed TV commentators calling 2 stroke vintage! LOL and yeah.. to add to the insults I think the worst of all is watching the TV commercials with all the 4 stroke in it every frigging 5 minutes. LOL The sport is worthless to watch ... I am looking forward to watch AMA/DMG road racing series because the only factories left is Yami and Suzuki. Kawi,Honda, and Buell(dead) pulled out!!! All I can say is WOW!

[losec]

Im watching it, i wanna see Josh Hill get some good results this year

[Recovered]

Yes, but what I am saying, is that people are going to extremes, of not even going to motocross, or riding at all because four strokes are more popular and the rules are favored towards the 4$troke. I think this is ridiculous, whether a dirt bike is a 2 stroke or a 4, IT IS STILL A DIRTBIKE! IT IS STILL A FRICKING AWESOME INVENTION! Sorry for yelling, but, we are complaining so much of the 4t's, but why? I think we should still stick to the sport like glue, just do so in a different kind of way, meaning, ride our "dated" two stroke machines at the track, and in general just support 2 strokes, but I don't think we should leave Motocross/Supercross just because things are unfair, that is what I meant by some of us being spoiled 2 year olds.

Extreme times require extreme measures. I am one of those who will not participate in anything AMA that requires me to pay for it. I do not support companies that come out publically in support of 4T's in any way.
If you think the $t dirt bike is a "freakin' awesome invention", than you and I will agree to disagree. There is ZERO that is good with 4T's. Don't tell me they make more HP. They don't. Don't tell me they make more torque. They don't. Don't tell me they pollute less, have a smaller "carbon footprint", get better traction or are so easy to ride they make you a better rider because you can cut faster lap times with a 450 than a 250. That's all 100%, grade AA bull crap. There is proof on this very site where a 20 something rider was 2-3 seconds a lap FASTER on a KX 500 than a KX 450! I can assure you, that if a real pro, like Danny Chandler or Jeff Ward or Brad Lackey (to name just a few) spent a few hours of coaching this kid to correct all his bad $T habits, he would be faster yet. Just from his absolute lack of understanding ansd experience. How can you dispute these facts. Naturally, the kid wants to eat so he picked the slow revving, overweight, technologically ignorant $T. It kept his job for him.
You guys can continue to kowtow to these fools. Try to get along with them. Keep going to their races and supporting their sponsors. Play the patsy. See where you are in 5 years. When this all started, it was  TWO STROKE MILITIA. For a reason. That is the mind set WE need. We will never slurp our way back into mainstream. The japanes factories don't want it. And KTM talks the talk, but their walk don't match. I have said it before: I REFUSE to ride with $T guys, unless I know them very VERY well. If that means I ride less, so be it. I'm tired of no starting (pull started many of those turds), stalling, flaming out, loud PIGS. I guess I see it different than the younger folks. If you haven't figured it out yet, here is how it goes: You CAN'T go along to get along. That is what has been done. How's that working for you so far?

[meger z]

i cant look at sx 4ts as they are so boring ,

[Out of Order]

We need more people like the mad scientist. Why? So we can get the truth out there and watch the 4 poke go crashing into the ground. Remember history repeats it self, back in the 50's and 60's 4 pokes were the bikes to have after that two strokes and now were are back to the POS 4 pokes. Give it a few more years and let the technology on the two stroke to catch up and we shall be back in business.

Oh yea, and I quit riding MX for a frigging reason, the POS loud, dull sounding 4 poke with double the displacement. If they allowed 125 4 pokes I would be happy. With a noise limit of 90db too!!

[JohnN]

I always start out the season with high expectations with interest in watching and following the series. Then by round 5 or 6 have completely been bored to tears!!

The tracks are all the same, and have such similar cookie-cutter obstacles, with an occasional interesting one thrown in for interest. Every corner seems to be a 180 degree bowl turn. The tracks are groomed to perfection.

The track layout is not like this because of Dirt Wurx. But more by all the other racers, manufacturers, teams and promoters. This I know first hand!

Honestly I agree with Mad Scientist more than I don't. By supporting the "four-stroke" agenda, we will never see two-strokes competing. It's a shame, but the only way to get fair rules is by not supporting the current regime.

While there are some folks battling very hard to start up a competing series it is a huge undertaking. Plus anything that is done will be under the microscope of the detractors and they will tear it down at every turn. This will make getting a new series off the ground a little more challenging.

But as I see it now, it will be the only way.

As for the announcers saying that two-strokes are vintage, that seems to be "company policy" and a part of the Big 4 "Marketing hype". Whenever I've spoken to folks in Pro Racing about the two-strokes they always say the word "vintage". I didn't understand it at the time, but now it's perfectly clear.

It truly is the four-stroke crowd that is afraid of fair competition. Just mention equal displacement in Pro Racing to a four-stroke fanatic and observe the reaction. Every single excuse possible is stated except the obvious... that it's CHEATING!

Someone mentioned that the two-strokes took over from the four-strokes in the 60's and 70's, which is true. But the only way that the four-strokes were able to get back into the game is with horrendous lopsided rules allowing double the displacement over the two-stroke.

The manufacturers understand that the consumers that buy motocross bikes, buy them based on what wins in the Pro Classes. Even guys that trail ride and will never venture out on a race track are influenced by the results in the Pro Classes. By ensuring that an equal sized two-stroke is never allowed to compete with their "technologically advanced"(insert double displacement cheater bike here) four-strokes, they never have to deal with the two-strokes because by doing this they eliminate them. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Make no mistake about it, they are out to destroy the two-stroke and any chance of fair competition on any level. That's why there are all the rules that are in their favor, so that a small company that actually is cutting edge can't show up on race day and destroy the illusion.

Take a quick looked at the ISDE racing, where there are no restrictions on the brand of machine you can ride. Then notice where the Big 4 finish.... pretty surprising if you ask me.

The two-stroke doesn't need development to catch up to the four-stroke, it needs fair rules. Once those are in place everything else will take care of itself.

Honestly there are too many people making a great deal of money in Pro Racing, that this will never happen. Unless we as a group do something to change it.

What do you choose?

[Recovered]

Mad Scientists says STAND UP AND BE COUNTED! Don't support them...oh wait...I already went there. I'll just drink my juice with fiber in it and move on

And MS still can't see smileys. And yes I'm wearing my glasses.

[miedosoracing]

We are working on this new series.  But although there are a lot of outcries on internet boards. We have not received anyone's donations or any other help so far, besides what we have gone out and gotten ourselves.  I posted on another board after a 27 page rant, that I will put up or shut up.  We are doing just that. Today we have a meeting with a national track owner and a potential sponsor. If you are serious, start contacting sponsors and forwarding them our website.  We need help to further this cause.  Help us to help the cause.  :-)