Reasons for 2 strokes not coming back?

[miedosoracing]

You know, the more I watch forums chat it out over and over and over.  I think most people don't get it.  Not only on the 4 stroke, but even on the 2 stroke side.  I actually am not even sure we need 4 strokes and 2 strokes to be equal in pro racing.  I actually have sat back for a while and think the only reason 2 strokes aren't making a huge comeback, is they are always left on the backburner.  Here's what I mean. We always post links on here about magazines and videos comparing 2 vs 4.  Well, they are always one off shootouts or comparisons.  We need to start seeing full 250 and open shootouts in magazines and the likes.  Here's my reasoning.  First, even as DC states, 250 vs 250 is allowed in AMA racing.  Open is as well.  So, why is it then, that magazines are not doing full 250cc shootouts in magazines. I mean, are they advertising to the factory riders? NOPE.  They are writing magazines to sell and for parts and manufacturers to sell to the public and joe normal guy.  So, when that same guy doesn't see a 250SX compared to a CRF250 or a YZ250 not compared to a KX250F, then they don't go looking for them. Sure there are 1 off shootouts, but that still doesn't put a ranking on them.  We need to start focusing our energies on shootouts in magazines to be made for the general public and what they can ride and what is available. Meaning all models, TM, Maico, etc.  250 shootout, should be exactly that. WHO'S WITH ME?  ATTACK!!!  

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[GlennC]

You had me up to adding maico to the test, I don't think I can wait that long.

[miedosoracing]

Another thing I've been doing, is sending emails to current race promoters who still run local races with the pro type rules, asking for them to change to the new rules.  Letting them know a 125 is not fair against a 250F. And that races all around the world that have switched to 250 vs 250 hasn't shown a 2 stroke domination like many try to advocate. 

[miedosoracing]

1 more note:  As a further thought on this whole 125 series he is talking about. I think we should try to get other manufactures to race.  We all know it is not a pro race, so the homo rule should not apply.  I'd love to see a set of off brands whip up on the 2005-2007 KX CR RM YZ's.  Let's get TM, and what ever other manufacturer who is excluded in the homo rule, to race this. 

[burn1986]

I think a better title would be "Reasons for 2 strokes not coming back to the AMA." The 2-strokes are just in the wrong series and sanctioning body. What we need is another reputable series. Anyone want to sponsor one?

[keeptwostrokesalive]

I think i made a post on vital asking the same question as to why they dont include the 250 two strokes in their shootouts.

[miedosoracing]

I think i made a post on vital asking the same question as to why they dont include the 250 two strokes in their shootouts.

Anyone reply?

[keeptwostrokesalive]

Many people agreed while others thought it was stupid and would never happen.  I also emailed all of the sites like racerx, twmx, dirtrider, and all the other sites that do the 250 shootouts and asked them to include ktm and yamahas 250 two strokes with the four strokes since they are allowed to race equal cc at most amatuer events. Unfortunately i never got any emails back. Maybe if we keep sending them emails they will finally answer one of us.

[meger z]

I think a better title would be "Reasons for 2 strokes not coming back to the AMA." The 2-strokes are just in the wrong series and sanctioning body. What we need is another reputable series. Anyone want to sponsor one?

i think you are right i went to a 2t only event in the uk 3 years ago it was like a festival of joy, people were happy talking about bikes wow the vibe was there was massive . The event got took over by a bigger organisation the let 4ts in . Now know one talks about the event its lost it magic .

[EJ]

I also emailed all of the sites like racerx, twmx, dirtrider, and all the other sites that do the 250 shootouts and asked them to include ktm and yamahas 250 two strokes with the four strokes since they are allowed to race equal cc at most amatuer events. Unfortunately i never got any emails back. Maybe if we keep sending them emails they will finally answer one of us.

That's really good!!!

250cc vs 250cc! That's how it should be!
Simplicity could make things a lot less complicated.
Just plain logic...

[Jskerb]

The idea of a combined shootout is great.

However ,the problem, as I see it, is a lack of R&D on behalf of Yamaha. Unless they are willing to improve the bike in some large way, I have no reason at all to trade my 09 YZ 250 on a newer model.

I guess they still make money on the engine parts they sell me. 

[ACMX]

250 shootouts dont work as well with only two bikes.

[miedosoracing]

The idea of a combined shootout is great.

However ,the problem, as I see it, is a lack of R&D on behalf of Yamaha. Unless they are willing to improve the bike in some large way, I have no reason at all to trade my 09 YZ 250 on a newer model.

I guess they still make money on the engine parts they sell me. 

The only problem with that argument, is that the YZ while still being old, is very competitive against all the 250F's.

[eprovenzano]

[miedosoracing]

How bad would it look if RacerX, MXA or another mag did a full test and the (example) TM 250 2 stroke kicked everyones' butt.  That's why it isn't done. I know it, we all know it.  But we need to start pushing it. We are the buyers. We want a full test. The more people who ask for it, the more chance we have.  make articles about how they don't test all bikes etc.