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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 06:26:43 AM »
120, maybe a 130 if they even still make em. but geeze it would be monsterous, and probly be tall enough to throw of the geometry and give you some head shake.
Talk about traction control.
If a pair of 2" brass balls isn't working, I doubt that the 3" model will make much difference.

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 12:25:37 PM »
Yes, thanks guys, we're just trying to tell the truth about how these exploding cigar four striker MX bikes have almost ruined the sport. The 2-4 project bike is a 2001 YZ400F frame with a '79 RM250 motor stuck in it, fit like a glove. The most difficult part was cutting and re-welding the expansion chamber into a down pipe (we love down pipes). It will weigh around 210-214 lbs and put out 38 horsepower.

It should haul ass, and become a template for all those poor bastards with a blown up four stroke sitting in their garage that they can't afford to fix.

We should have it posted tonight sometime. Rick did it for off-road.com, so you can see it there too (part 1). Keep the faith guys, KTM is still pushing two stroke technology, and a direct injected two cycle is right around the bend. It will combine a four stroke type lower end, with a two stroke top end, but eliminate the loop scavenging with a high pressure injector and a variable exhaust port.

Thanks for reading!

Matt
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Wow Matt is in the MFing House!

Welcome aboard Matt. I look forward to seeing a full report on frankenbike.
I think it will be cool, Not intended to compete with Service Honda, Just get some working class guys back on the trail.

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 01:04:36 PM »
Down pipe.

On a relatively modern frame.

So, if it's built properly, to work well, the divergent cone and belly will be under the frame.

Unless they are limiting the travel - by means that make the units bottom earlier, it will have less chance of survival than a sun burnt snowflake.

Modern , long travel bikes leave about an inch / 2inches at the most between the frame rails and flat ground.

I like what they are doing, but, unless they are limiting the travel, or it's a flat track bike, it sure isn't remotely practical with a down pipe. So, building for a style they like = impractical bike.

Gives them precisely what they, I would assume, would not want from a bike. Impracticality ::)



When suspension travel started getting longer in the mid-to-late '70s they started running into this problem, and a fairly common solution (or rather, what Maico did) was to let the engine be a little higher in the frame, or even create a spot in the cases for the pipe to partially fit.  This allowed the pipe to be partly between the frame rails rather than entirely below them.  It'd still be hairy to deal with if it were done to the old standards, but considering they're putting an old engine in a new frame, I would presume they're doing a lot of inventive work anyway, so mounting the engine quite high indeed might not be out of the question.  The main disadvantage with this route, and one of the major reasons down-pipes were phased out, is the tendency this has to raise the center of gravity of the bike.  If I were determined to put a down-pipe in a modern frame (I wouldn't) that's how I'd do it.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 01:37:40 AM »
Down pipe.

On a relatively modern frame.

So, if it's built properly, to work well, the divergent cone and belly will be under the frame.

Unless they are limiting the travel - by means that make the units bottom earlier, it will have less chance of survival than a sun burnt snowflake.

Modern , long travel bikes leave about an inch / 2inches at the most between the frame rails and flat ground.

I like what they are doing, but, unless they are limiting the travel, or it's a flat track bike, it sure isn't remotely practical with a down pipe. So, building for a style they like = impractical bike.

Gives them precisely what they, I would assume, would not want from a bike. Impracticality ::)



When suspension travel started getting longer in the mid-to-late '70s they started running into this problem, and a fairly common solution (or rather, what Maico did) was to let the engine be a little higher in the frame, or even create a spot in the cases for the pipe to partially fit.  This allowed the pipe to be partly between the frame rails rather than entirely below them.  It'd still be hairy to deal with if it were done to the old standards, but considering they're putting an old engine in a new frame, I would presume they're doing a lot of inventive work anyway, so mounting the engine quite high indeed might not be out of the question.  The main disadvantage with this route, and one of the major reasons down-pipes were phased out, is the tendency this has to raise the center of gravity of the bike.  If I were determined to put a down-pipe in a modern frame (I wouldn't) that's how I'd do it.
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If they insist on a down pipe, it puts it into the category of a bike like a chopper.

I worked through the mid /late seventies (@ Competition Development - OZs version of FMF, and the importers of Fox Shox etc) during the whole LTR revolution, that's what much of my earlier fabrication experience came from. I know old school bikes, right through to the very latest.

So, put a down pipe on, then lift the engine - geeze that's going to really help the suspension with such a stuff up with the relationship between the countershaft, swingarm pivot and rear axle.

Maybe they intend to do a down pipe version of the YZ495 works Air Hammer Flat Pipe, that Carlquist etc. used?

Whichever way I look at it, it's a complete stuff up of what's Quite A Good Idea. Just make /modify an up pipe., Hunky and Co.

Here's an idea -  they could do something like a Snail Pipe - that would be something different that would at least enable them to have a fully usable bike. And not just a styling exercise.

I love the simplicity of an AC 2t engine - I will regret selling my 490 for the rest of my life (though I'm currently  pursuing one that I've found ;D) .

I'm even thinking of putting a AC 480 top end on a later model set of CR500 cases, in a new frame. That certainly appeals to me. So I'm far from being against hybrids, I've made a lot of them over the years. But they've been made to perform and work well. Not be slaves to a styling idea.

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2011, 03:43:11 PM »
Here's a convertion for sale in kiwi land.
Yamaberg 490. :)



Heres the link to Add.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-349364989.htm
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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2011, 05:06:55 PM »
its cheap too.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2011, 05:35:09 PM by factoryX »


I ride an 03 yz250, wait 04, wait 05, what ever, they're all the same #$@% YOU!

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 03:48:13 AM »
Nice bike.
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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2011, 06:04:34 AM »
That Yamaberg is awesome. You guys know that Berg is making two strokes now?
I hope to have the oppertnity to test one soon. I rode a 03 big bike, the 4 something a while back. The ergos and the suspension were  fabulous.   
If a pair of 2" brass balls isn't working, I doubt that the 3" model will make much difference.

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 01:23:08 PM »
Yeah, since a four stroke doesn't really have any room for a nice two stroke up-pipe, we went with the down pipe. Fits between the frame rails, no loss of clearance. Rick's in the final jetting phaze now, running strong, just needs to be dialed in. Suspension on the stiff side. Going to Gil at WP for a shock, have Noleen do the forks. Should be plush and fast.

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 03:59:44 PM »
Fits between the frame rails.  Okay, I'll be interested to see how you guys pulled that off.  Anytime you have pictures ready, won't be soon enough!


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2011, 02:14:25 AM »
In Belgium, a guy put a 700cc 2T Zabel engine (almost same as Maico 700) in a 2004/2005
Husaberg rolling chassis. They make a good 2T donor chassis!
At first they had to tow-start it behind a car, after it's warmed up, you can start it by kickstart;

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2011, 06:10:08 AM »
Yeah, since a four stroke doesn't really have any room for a nice two stroke up-pipe, we went with the down pipe. Fits between the frame rails, no loss of clearance. Rick's in the final jetting phaze now, running strong, just needs to be dialed in. Suspension on the stiff side. Going to Gil at WP for a shock, have Noleen do the forks. Should be plush and fast.

A little secret for you there anit no DI two strokes around the corner. Just make a decent up pipe the true test of pipe making skills. Cutting and shittinga modern stamped out pipe is  pretty much crueling performance. There will be a VERY quick 250 based engine out and about soon. ;)

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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2011, 10:57:30 AM »
That's a badass looking pipe on that honda.

Someone told me the other day all new TMs will be Direct Injected?  I haven't looked it up yet, but I haven't heard anything here so I didn't think it was true.
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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2011, 11:21:31 AM »
A little secret for you there anit no DI two strokes around the corner.

I like how you keep saying that 2T.
Just over one hundred years ago man couldn't fly.
60 years ago man would never go to the moon.
20 years ago GP teams were talking about DI.
14 years ago the first DI outboards came out. ( they were crap ). Chief among the problems was lack of computer power.
9 years ago they had the problems sorted.
Fast forward to today and you have DI scooter's and DI outboards are very reliable.
Do you think that there are not some very clever people out there that are working on the issues for Dirt/Road bikes.
I know about the issue's with throttle response but that's not something that wont be overcome.
BRP/Rotax & Orbital will get it right. ;D

I just hope that a manufactor has the ball's to release it.
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Re: Super Hunky & Matt Cuddy Strike Again....
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2011, 12:05:12 PM »
A little secret for you there anit no DI two strokes around the corner.

I like how you keep saying that 2T.
Just over one hundred years ago man couldn't fly.
60 years ago man would never go to the moon.
20 years ago GP teams were talking about DI.
14 years ago the first DI outboards came out. ( they were crap ). Chief among the problems was lack of computer power.
9 years ago they had the problems sorted.
Fast forward to today and you have DI scooter's and DI outboards are very reliable.
Do you think that there are not some very clever people out there that are working on the issues for Dirt/Road bikes.
I know about the issue's with throttle response but that's not something that wont be overcome.
BRP/Rotax & Orbital will get it right. ;D

I just hope that a manufactor has the ball's to release it.


As TMKIWI says, DI ain't around the corner,it's been around for years.I'd be willing to put $$ down that either KTM or TM will have it within the next two model years-more likely KTM due to their resources.
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