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For Sale / 2002 Honda CR250R - DFW, TX

« on: January 22, 2011, 05:18:43 PM »

Time has come to sell my 2-stroke project.  Wife is having a baby so it's time for some toys to go for the greater good. 

This is a 2002 CR250R with title in hand.  Overall condition is good, price is $2,000 OBO.  This bike is very freshly rebuilt and ready to be taken riding right after you pick it up.  Located in Alvarado TX, roughly 30 minutes south of Ft. Worth.  Call or text me at 817-262-3696 if interested.  If I don't answer please leave a voicemail and I'll get back with you. 

Also included (and pictured) is a blown Ohlins rear shock.  The shock came on the bike when I bought it, and during that time it lost all compression.  I'm sure it can be rebuilt and serviced, I have no use for it.  Since it's pretty much a paper weight until you put money into it I'll include it free with the bike. 

Pros:

- Fresh full engine-side rebuild using all Honda OEM parts (NOT Hotrods, Weisco, or other eBay junk!).  That includes a new crank, bearings, rod, top-end, gaskets, everything.  Rebuild has maybe 5 hours on it. 
- New Acerbis plastic minus rear fender (included with the bike but came with a twist in it)
- Almost brand new OEM pipe and silencer with no pits, dings, or dents.  Just a little paint rubbed off from the few rides I put on it. 
- Boyesen Reeds
- Hinson clutch plates and basket
- New Dunlop MX51s front and rear
- New handlebars and grips
- Airbox seal kit

Cons:

- The only face lift I've given the bike is the plastic, so the frame and hubs have the general dirt staining you get from MX and a decade old bike.  My dream was to tear it down to the frame and make everything pretty but alas no.
- Wheels are different colors, front is a stock silver and the back is a black excel.  I bought it like this and since they were structurally sound I left it alone for now.

 

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: Conspiracy

« on: January 10, 2011, 06:25:45 PM »

Look at this way, Honda has always been anti 2 stroke, and always pushed for a 4 stroke handicap. It wasn't the fact that there was interest in 4 strokes, they saw it as a potential money maker, and what they did or didn't realize was that it was simply a short term gain. Honda doesn't look at it as a group of people racing, they look at it as a group of people with deep pockets.

The handicap was there from the AMA, not the wishes of Honda.  That 400 and the 426 were a spring board, Yamaha sold a ton of those bikes and the other OEMs didn't lose sight of that.  If you listen to Matthes' podcast, he has mentioned people within Yamaha (who at the time were his employers) were saying the 4-strokes were outselling the 2-strokes 3 to 1.  With a business model like that you can't help follow suit.  What the OEMs didn't expect was the bottom to fall out of the economy.  If things were still strong we wouldn't be complaining so much about 8k bikes. 

So did the OEMs intend on phasing out the 2-stroke?  Sure, 4-strokes were outselling them and the technology was in-line with what they wanted to develop.  2-strokes had pretty much peaked, 4-strokes offered room to improve and a distinct advantage.  Just like the push to 2-strokes 40 years ago.  Back then they the lighter and more powerful alternative to what was being produced and sold like hot cakes.  It's just the mood of the American market.  Quit buying 4-strokes, order a shit ton of 2-stroke parts from your dealer and eventually they'll switch again.  Will we be having threads about how the OEMs had backdoor meetings on how to kill off the 4-strokes then?  This conspiracy stuff gives me tired head. 

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: Cedric has a ride in the AMA Supercross

« on: January 01, 2011, 10:25:37 PM »

"Burn,

Can you please explain the workings of what makes the Promoters and others in the industry hate this?

I'm very curious about this because I'm not familiar enough with all these people's stake in Foopercross to know why they'd be threatened by this. I thought a promoter would want as many interested fans as possible, so they would like this spike in interest.

It's obvious that these people are all playing some kind of subversive game, but it's really hard to figure out by following the money. I would really appreciate your insight..."

I guess I'm trying to use other words rather than say Davey Coombs and his spear headed effort to eradicate the 2-stroke, as well as his influence on the SX promoters. From all his comments and actions, he has shown to be 100% anti 2-stroke, in all forms and fashion. He has made it very clear that he wants 4-strokes in every class in MX and SX, and has tangible animosity towards anyone not on board with this thinking (a brave new world without 2-strokes). I also feel that most of the MX magazines, such as MXA, Dirt Bike, of course RacerX, and TransworldMX have been swayed by this anti 2-stroke propoganda. Even though some of them will publish something here and there about 2-strokes, they will follow it up by "...This bike will never see the light of day in the USA (and as a spinoff from the Ancillotti Bicycle line it will probably not be very successful in Italy)." - from the MXA article on the Ancillotti 125.


So, how awesome it will be to see the one thing that all these industry croneys hate - a hero on a 2-stroke! I think it will be a riot to see Cedric successful in SX despite DC's efforts to squash the 2-stroke, and bring all his friends at the Big4 an MX and SX series free and void of any form of 2-stroke resistance. It's sort of like Star Wars.

That's super slanted and incredibly wrong.  The series that Coombs has direct control over are the ONLY nationally sanctioned amateur events where 250 2-strokes are allowed to line up against 250 4-strokes, specifically Loretta Lynns.  He has the Schoolboy 1 class dedicated specifically to 125s, no 4-strokes allowed.  Does that sound like a guy who's anti 2-stroke?  He was the one who first brought up the idea of doing it at the pro level, and pushed it hard.  He met heavy resistance from the people who matter, the OEMs.  The only OEM who is actually putting development work into 2-strokes is KTM.  Yamaha is simply releasing the same bike year after year since really 2005, the others don't even manufacture them anymore.  So if the OEMs drive the sport and salaries at the pro level why would they won't 2-strokes out there?  And this isn't to say out there period, this is strictly to do with even CC racing ala 250 vs 250.  The AMA is the body that dropped the ball when it came to 4-stroke vs 2-stroke.  They are the ones who allowed the double displacement rule to stay even after the Yamaha 400/426 and the 250F.  

As for Cedric.. I like the idea but he's got a LOT of big hurtles to clear.  First of all he has almost zero experience on a Yamaha, and he will have just a few days to adjust to his race bike.  He has done well in Europe, but those are tight stadiums that bear a far closer resemblance to Arenacross than AMA SuperX.  I wish him luck and look forward to seeing it, but I dunno.. I'd have to say he'll have trouble making the mains.  

Cédric been racing Yamaha 2 stroke for years before KTM... The Yami never changed since then lol! AMA is just a big fail as an leading organization, they proved it with their road racing series! The OEM can continue to be stubborn ..just gonna give a chance to others oems to grow like Tm, Husky, KTM ,Gas Gas, Maico and opportunity to others to start a new racing organization.. The sport can live without Japan and the AMA.

Not knowing his past beyond the previous races this year it's good to hear he has experience on the bike, but it's still a disadvantage to come from a long time on the KTM over to a Yami and race in so short a turnaround. 

And yes I agree, AMA has dropped the ball over and over again.  From the fuel testing issues, killing off of an entire breed of bike, to even the punishments they hand out all seem like a bad joke.  But right now I hesitate to agree any kind of break-off series would be the right direction.  Eventually the scale has to shift back the other way toward cost-effective technology over EFI and overhead cams or OEMs will simply have to quit making MX bikes.  The current model is broken, and given time I think things will readjust, even the AMA. 

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: Cedric has a ride in the AMA Supercross

« on: January 01, 2011, 05:54:19 PM »

"Burn,

Can you please explain the workings of what makes the Promoters and others in the industry hate this?

I'm very curious about this because I'm not familiar enough with all these people's stake in Foopercross to know why they'd be threatened by this. I thought a promoter would want as many interested fans as possible, so they would like this spike in interest.

It's obvious that these people are all playing some kind of subversive game, but it's really hard to figure out by following the money. I would really appreciate your insight..."

I guess I'm trying to use other words rather than say Davey Coombs and his spear headed effort to eradicate the 2-stroke, as well as his influence on the SX promoters. From all his comments and actions, he has shown to be 100% anti 2-stroke, in all forms and fashion. He has made it very clear that he wants 4-strokes in every class in MX and SX, and has tangible animosity towards anyone not on board with this thinking (a brave new world without 2-strokes). I also feel that most of the MX magazines, such as MXA, Dirt Bike, of course RacerX, and TransworldMX have been swayed by this anti 2-stroke propoganda. Even though some of them will publish something here and there about 2-strokes, they will follow it up by "...This bike will never see the light of day in the USA (and as a spinoff from the Ancillotti Bicycle line it will probably not be very successful in Italy)." - from the MXA article on the Ancillotti 125.


So, how awesome it will be to see the one thing that all these industry croneys hate - a hero on a 2-stroke! I think it will be a riot to see Cedric successful in SX despite DC's efforts to squash the 2-stroke, and bring all his friends at the Big4 an MX and SX series free and void of any form of 2-stroke resistance. It's sort of like Star Wars.

That's super slanted and incredibly wrong.  The series that Coombs has direct control over are the ONLY nationally sanctioned amateur events where 250 2-strokes are allowed to line up against 250 4-strokes, specifically Loretta Lynns.  He has the Schoolboy 1 class dedicated specifically to 125s, no 4-strokes allowed.  Does that sound like a guy who's anti 2-stroke?  He was the one who first brought up the idea of doing it at the pro level, and pushed it hard.  He met heavy resistance from the people who matter, the OEMs.  The only OEM who is actually putting development work into 2-strokes is KTM.  Yamaha is simply releasing the same bike year after year since really 2005, the others don't even manufacture them anymore.  So if the OEMs drive the sport and salaries at the pro level why would they won't 2-strokes out there?  And this isn't to say out there period, this is strictly to do with even CC racing ala 250 vs 250.  The AMA is the body that dropped the ball when it came to 4-stroke vs 2-stroke.  They are the ones who allowed the double displacement rule to stay even after the Yamaha 400/426 and the 250F. 

As for Cedric.. I like the idea but he's got a LOT of big hurtles to clear.  First of all he has almost zero experience on a Yamaha, and he will have just a few days to adjust to his race bike.  He has done well in Europe, but those are tight stadiums that bear a far closer resemblance to Arenacross than AMA SuperX.  I wish him luck and look forward to seeing it, but I dunno.. I'd have to say he'll have trouble making the mains. 

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Technical / Re: '02 CR250 shock

« on: December 08, 2010, 05:19:05 AM »

It's significantly more expensive to do so and I wasn't impressed with the Ohlins to start with.  For all it's adjustability it seemed to suffer from a soft mid-stroke and damping problems during a moto on rough tracks.  Granted I could have revalved it and I planned on it until the thing let go on a landing.  Since I nearly took a real good soil sample I'm not that interested in keeping it on there now.  Plus I planned on having a stock shock revalved and rebuilt almost immediately and local suspension shops know Showa/KYB.  

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Technical / '02 CR250 shock

« on: December 07, 2010, 06:19:12 PM »

Quick question, is the rear shock the same between the CR125 and CR250 2-strokes from 02-07?  I'm having trouble finding a replacement shock for the 250 but several show up on ebay from 125s.  Looking to replace a blown Ohlins..