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General Two Stroke Talk / Cr144 thoughts and opinions??
« on: October 10, 2012, 12:43:23 AM »
as far as 144 reliability ive heard more issues with the crank bearings goin out sooner due to a heavier piston. the yz and rm 125s ive heard have issues due to small cases. as far a cr144 goes ive heard great things about it. however if youd like a good balance look at doing a 139 or a 134 kit. but you cant go wrong with a 144.

According to Eric Gorr's website, the 144 piston is lighter than the OEM 125.


The nice thing about a big bore kit is they usually come with all the porting and head mods too. Get the right pipe at the same time and they can set it all up to work together giving you maximum results. And there are the oval bore carb mods, probably even better with a big bore job.

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General Two Stroke Talk / KX af project or not?...
« on: September 29, 2012, 07:49:21 PM »
Hey a quick and really unrelated question that I have: Why do the 250 smokers only make power up to roughly 9000 RPM but keep on revving until 13 grand? Not meaning to thread steal here just a random question I had that seemed silly to make a new thread over.

There are a lot of factors. As some have said, ridability is a major factor. I saw a custom streetbike with a KTM 250 motor pushing near 90hp. But that powerband would never hook up in the dirt. Second, 4-strokes have very short strokes compared to 2-strokes. This allows them to rev quicker since the piston doesn't have to move as far. Third, reliability, more rpm, more wear and higher stress on parts. Fourth, you need torque and rpm to produce power, if your motor can't breath at higher rpm torque drops off. At some point, torque drops off faster than rpm so your power falls off. Modifying the porting will move your torque up in the rpm range and you will be able to get more power up there, but you will sacrifice bottom end, and that leads to the bad ridability for dirt bikes. So I think you get it, you pick a balance between all the factors for your type of use.

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General Two Stroke Talk / TM Racing History
« on: September 28, 2012, 02:40:20 AM »
Thanks 2strokerevolution.
I will put up the newer models I have just been busy.
There is good info on the changes of the later one's.
I need a rest. :D
I had to print and scan all the pictures yesterday to change them from pdf to jpeg.
It took awhile.

You could make it easy and screen shot them. Your keyboard should have a Print Screen button on the top right. Or, a better way, if you have a newer windows OS it should have the Snipping Tool.

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General Two Stroke Talk / TM Racing History
« on: September 28, 2012, 02:33:52 AM »
what would be nice is, somehow getting a review of each year of the bikes, and then by each year saying what chanced, what was better/worse than the previous year, and then do that all the way up until the new ones

I am trying mate.
Not alot of info around on TM's. Easier to do with the last few years.
I do have some test rides I will put up.

Good idea.

I'm assuming you are going to add pictures up through 2013. If not, I'll add what i have. It seems 2009 to 2012 haven't changed much, as far as exterior. Zokes forks and Ohlins shock, same plastics. 2013 has new suspension. Whenever you are done I'll add mine. Let you keep it in order. I have a 2012 pic and 2013 spy pics.

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General Two Stroke Talk / TM Racing History
« on: September 28, 2012, 01:20:04 AM »
Man what a company. I've made the recent discovery that there is in fact a halfway decent presense of TM in Queensland so I'm looking to make a TM 144 mx my next bike. 2013 of course :P If they can match KTMs horsepower that would be even sweeter.

Good thread

The TM should be on par with the KTM. And with the electronic powervalve, the low end should be much better. Throw in better suspension, KYB forks and their new works shock. TM would be my 125/144 choice.

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General Two Stroke Talk / 2012 Monster Energy Cup Track Layout
« on: September 27, 2012, 11:03:04 PM »
That track looks cool. We'll have to see how it is in real life. That track was good last year. MX will always be better, imp, since it is outdoors with terrain. SX from the get-go was a money machine, pack as many fans into a stadium to watch dirt bikes race on a fake dirt course.

If you can't enjoy watching dirt bikes, no matter what stroke, you have your own problems to deal with. Yes, I would prefer 2-strokes (for technology and slightly more exciting at times) but I love dirt bikes period. Next time WEC, GNCC, etc gets good TV coverage I will watch that instead.

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General Two Stroke Talk / KX af project or not?...
« on: September 25, 2012, 07:42:34 AM »
^^^ yeah, rumour is that the Ossa won't be out any time soon... Kinda rots, but I half expected that when I put the deposit down. Funny thing is, the Explorer model is out now, so I don't know what to think. I will still get one when it comes out(if ever). I love the TM's and the '13's are amazing... I may snag one in spring to book end the KTM. I really like their 300...

Nope, not too late at all on the 380 suggestion! I had a '98 back in '98 and loved that engine.. Until I find my transplant engine, I am open to possibilities. The Kdx 200 engine would be a great engine for the easy days though....

That is strange about Ossa. They showed a complete bike like a year ago and no production expectation. The Explorer, meanwhile, still doesn't have a single real photo on their website, just computer models, yet people have them and are riding them. Weird. The Ossa Enduro looks sweet. Full Ohlins TTX and semi-Direct Injection.


The KDX 200 would be a great trail motor. Nice and easy. The 380 vibrates more, not making it the best slow trail bike. I just love the power. Torque down low like a 300, and the top end of a 500. It'd be cool to see an awesome KTM engine in a great frame. But, whatever you make will be cool. Can't wait to see pics.

Good luck with the Ossa or TM, both are great. Or there is always the Gas Gas Guillaume! So sexy...

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Technical / Best fuel/mixture ratio
« on: September 25, 2012, 07:33:57 AM »
It really depends on how you ride. If you are MX racing hard with non-synthetic, go with a mixture in the 40:1 range. I ride trails, sometimes hard, and run full-synthetic Motorex and use 50:1. The manual says I can run up to 60:1 for trail riding. With modern Synthetics 32:1 is old news.

For the mixture vs power debate. I would think since less oil = more gas, and more gas = more power, then less oil = more power. This may just be made up for in the required re-jetting though.
You,ve got that backwards, more oil= less fuel= more air ie leaner mixture= more power
                                                         less oil= more fuel= less air ie richer mixture= less power
The difference is tiny though. What i think alot of you are forgetting though is that the oil comes out of suspension and pools in your crankcase. Richer fuel oil mix = more oil being spread around your motor. I'd personally never run 50:1 or higher.
I run 30:1 and would go even richer if i could afford the oil.

What you are saying isn't making sense to me.

1) Changing the oil/fuel ratio has nothing to do with the amount of air going into your engine. But reducing the oil does mean more fuel, so yes a richer setting. Then compensate with jetting and the result is more air AND fuel at the same mixture, due to slightly less oil. Will the change from 30:1 to 40:1 be noticeable? Doubt it. Maybe to some pros.

2) I don't see how the oil in my suspension is going to get into my crankcase and pool...

3) The "32:1" was made years and years ago when oil quality was much worse than now. Many people run 60:1 in KTM 2-strokes and get well over 200 hours on a top end. Yes, this is off-road. But I would not hesitate to do 40:1 for MX and save a little $, have less spooge, and that tad better response and power.
I'll start by saying spooge and throttle response has zero to do with your oil fuel mix and everything to do with your air fuel ratio ie your jetting.
As far as the more or less oil goes, you're talking yourself round in circles now. Your motor sucks in a set volume each stroke, if you take fuel from that volume by adding oil then the result is a leaner condition as the oil isn't combustible. the reverse is the same, if you add fuel to the total volume by removing oil then a richer condition is the result. You're right though it wouldn't be noticable power wise between 30:1 and 40:1 i doubt would even show a difference on a dyno. Where i believe you do gain power from extra oil is better ring seal and less friction and heat. Then there are benefits of extended service life.

You missed some stuff and read my post wrong.

1) Oil mixture DOES affect spooge. Think about it, if you had no oil, there would be no spooge, even with a rich mixture. Because it is the OIL that causes spooge. Less oil will have less spooge. Jetting likely has a much bigger effect than a small change in oil ratio, but oil ratio affects it. Since the oil isn't creating your power, it is essentially blocking the combustion process, remove some and response may increase.

2) Read my post again, I mention jetting at the same time as changing mixture. Basically, to picture it more easily, you have an air/fuel mixture and an oil percentage. Lower the oil and your air/fuel goes up. More air/fuel means more power.

3) If there is so much oil it is becoming spooge or pooling,then it is not helping with ring seal and friction.

How the oil mixture ratio creates a friction vs cumbustion plot would be interesting. What ratio creates the best power? That would have to be experimentally tested.

For me, I'll save the money and have fine reliability at 50:1.

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Technical / Best fuel/mixture ratio
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:18:04 AM »
It really depends on how you ride. If you are MX racing hard with non-synthetic, go with a mixture in the 40:1 range. I ride trails, sometimes hard, and run full-synthetic Motorex and use 50:1. The manual says I can run up to 60:1 for trail riding. With modern Synthetics 32:1 is old news.

For the mixture vs power debate. I would think since less oil = more gas, and more gas = more power, then less oil = more power. This may just be made up for in the required re-jetting though.
You,ve got that backwards, more oil= less fuel= more air ie leaner mixture= more power
                                                         less oil= more fuel= less air ie richer mixture= less power
The difference is tiny though. What i think alot of you are forgetting though is that the oil comes out of suspension and pools in your crankcase. Richer fuel oil mix = more oil being spread around your motor. I'd personally never run 50:1 or higher.
I run 30:1 and would go even richer if i could afford the oil.

What you are saying isn't making sense to me.

1) Changing the oil/fuel ratio has nothing to do with the amount of air going into your engine. But reducing the oil does mean more fuel, so yes a richer setting. Then compensate with jetting and the result is more air AND fuel at the same mixture, due to slightly less oil. Will the change from 30:1 to 40:1 be noticeable? Doubt it. Maybe to some pros.

2) I don't see how the oil in my suspension is going to get into my crankcase and pool...

3) The "32:1" was made years and years ago when oil quality was much worse than now. Many people run 60:1 in KTM 2-strokes and get well over 200 hours on a top end. Yes, this is off-road. But I would not hesitate to do 40:1 for MX and save a little $, have less spooge, and that tad better response and power.

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General Two Stroke Talk / KX af project or not?...
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:00:47 AM »
Good stuff Sachs... I have had a deposit on the Ossa since the day of the press release. Latest info doesn't sound to promising however.... something about GG engines, etc. Maybe the Jota....?

I heard some rumors of GG engines coming out first. Which would ruin the benefit of the Ossa. Jota is questionable on if and when it will be available at this time. Not to mention if it will be any better than what is out there now. Best bet is a current TM or Gas Gas. Both are killer bikes. TM now has KYB forks and their own Works shock and supposedly better motors than KTM. The Gas Gas has legendary handling, great motor, great looks and a trick air filter for 2013.

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General Two Stroke Talk / KX af project or not?...
« on: September 24, 2012, 11:52:24 PM »
KDX200 motor would probably be a great, affordable motor. The KTM would likely be more powerful and modern but cost more. Either would be cool.

Is it too late to suggest a KTM 380 motor?!

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In my opinion, it is worth getting a FMF pipe just for the shear fact that the OEM Jap pipes are ugly. It will give you 95% of the looks of a Factory, all of the functionality and none of the maintenance. I would guess it gives more power than the stock pipe, or different power. Just a guess, the pipe shown on Laracco's might just be a custom pipe made by Honda. Unless you have something saying it is stock.

Other than that, VForce reeds could help. The Woody Woodpecker graphics would be sick. I always wanted a CR250 with those.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Wife authorized a new YZ125...
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:43:25 PM »


Haha.... So true. TM also makes 4 strokes... Why does that not qualify them as a 4 stroke brand? Glad you got what you wanted Motoxr377 and the YZ is a fine choice... These other guys are jealous and would dump their old iron in a second for new YZ.
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Yamaha takes 100% of the 2-stroke profits and dumps it into 4-stroke updates. They don't give a $hit about the 2-strokes. TM on the other hand likes 2-strokes and continues to develop them. I would prefer giving my money to someone who will use it to update their 2-strokes and not throw it all into the foopers. TM at heart is a 125 2-stroke Kart engine manufacturer.

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Technical / Best fuel/mixture ratio
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:38:28 PM »
It really depends on how you ride. If you are MX racing hard with non-synthetic, go with a mixture in the 40:1 range. I ride trails, sometimes hard, and run full-synthetic Motorex and use 50:1. The manual says I can run up to 60:1 for trail riding. With modern Synthetics 32:1 is old news.

For the mixture vs power debate. I would think since less oil = more gas, and more gas = more power, then less oil = more power. This may just be made up for in the required re-jetting though.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Beta 2013 2 strokes
« on: September 19, 2012, 09:56:00 PM »
Cant really see the resemblance to the gas apart from

Red color theme
the triangle frame shape formed by the members used for the shock mount
and the side number panel shape

Looks like a good bike to me!

Look at the radiator shroud. 100% rip-off of Gas Gas. Now, the bike is very nice looking, more red would improve it, but it is still sad to see the old plastics go. That styling was much more unique, and equally as sexy. It shouted Italian. They need to go back. Without that their is no reason to buy a Beta. They are heavier and have un-trusted suspension components.





Old Beta styling = more unique:

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