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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 19, 2011, 05:12:27 AM »

It's all miedoso's fault

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 02:19:39 PM »

Burn you've lost your marbles, two strokes are highly efficient in motocross there is no way around that. The engines are built to perform in this fashion. There's no way they are disappearing. Have you read my last few posts? I made them nice short and sweet rather than typing paragraphs about it, which I could very well do but the main point is that I am seeing a change! Less four strokes more two strokes! If Husa is only importing two strokes what does that tell you? They dont think they will make any sort of profit from their bangers. If they did see a profit in future from them, even a couple dollars you know they would have done it for the publicity, but they feel that they would be losing so much money its not even worth the publicity of shipping the bikes over. Obviously these guys spent a lot of time making this decision, you can't let that go to waste.

My bad

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 09:34:28 AM »

The delusion of the 4-stroke can only last so long. They're just becoming too expensive. Not only the bikes, but the parts and service as well. Sure some will last for a good year before it craters, but the OEMs make up this money on the sticker price. Some will crater within 6 months, maybe sooner if they're raced hard. The prices of parts and bikes will only increase.

Sure 2-strokes are expensive too, but there is no hidden cost to make up. A 2-stroke is a way more simplistic and less expensive racing alternative, based on future racing and maintenance. They both require maintenance, but with less moving parts, you have less inherent expense.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: MY BABY IS HOOOOOMMMEEEE AGAIN!

« on: August 18, 2011, 09:17:10 AM »

The bike is still eye candy to me.

X2, Excellent!

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 09:10:30 AM »

Exactly. No one caught that part of the post.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 08:44:30 AM »

Well, actually 4Ts will shortly price themselves out of business. There will always be people willing to pay $10K for a dirt bike, but what do you do when you plop down that money and the thing has an engine failure. Not too many people are going to spend that much anyway, but how many can afford to spend another $2K to fix it.

If you don't think 2-strokes are disappearing from Professional MX and SX, then you need to look again. I don't want to come across as having no hope for the 2-stroke motorcycle or its further development, but right now, there is a huge force against the 2-stroke motorcycle. Those forces begin with Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and all the companies they pressure into submission (in Pro Racing).

The hope is that the high prices of 4-strokes combined with the economy will cause the OEMs and others to see the 2-stroke as a viable racing alternative, and begin pressuring the AMA to change the rules to allow it. Or for another series to rise up to include the 2-stroke.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 08:22:35 AM »

Obviously not all 2-stroke engines disappearing!

I meant 2-strokes from motorcycle racing! We're on the same team, right? For some reason, I'm feeling a little attacked simply because I gave a long reply to TotalNZ.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 18, 2011, 06:02:55 AM »

It fully amazes me that some people come on here and start praising 4-strokes (to any degree). Most of us have ridden a 4-stroke. Do you really think that you're going to convince us that 4-strokes are really that great? Sure a 450F is faster than a 250 and a 250F is faster than a 125. Don't you think we know this? Who cares if all the sudden you jumped on a 4-stroke and had your eyes opened to how much faster you were on a 4-stroke? Who are you preaching to? We know there's the OEM's wave of the future is high dollar, high tech 4-strokes. Do you think most of us on here don't see what's going on? Or that somehow we're off in a cave somewhere and need to be enlightened by a born again 4-stroke fanatic? Why do people like this even come on here and post?

I just don't like having bulls**t claims jammed down my throat whether they're pro 2 or 4.
I love my 2t and thats all i'll ever own. I just reckon some people get too caught up in the pro 2t talk without any real basis for there opinions.
I'm not saying i like or agree with any of whats happened in MX with the advent of high tech 4 stroke machines, i'm just trying to keep it real.
The technology and development of the 4's is now at such a level that they can compete on par with 2t's 250 vs 250. thats a fact, like i've said i believe most riders these days would be faster on a new 250F. now i'm not happy about that and there are a number of reasons for this and they all suck, but i think alot of people on here underestimate the new 4's and or overestimate the oldschool 2t's.
I'm also not factoring into my argument the cost or maintenance schedules of the 4's, these things all are contributing to the decline of the sport i reckon. All i'm doing is saying how it is on the track right now with the new 4's. They're fast and 250f's can definitely compete with and beat 250 2t's.

The same talk 5 years ago would have been welcomed. No all the sudden that 2-strokes are on the way out, to mention it at all, or give it any praise is ramming it down your throat. It almost seems that anyone who offers anything positive about a 2-stroke is now considered some kind of weird, radical, die hard or something. I don't think I'm ramming any bull---t claims down your throat, but we already know that 4-strokes are a way more advanced machine than the current 2-strokes. To have that many moving parts at a high rpm, all moving in sync is simply amazing. The fact that they don't need premix and have gotten as light as they are, and can turn lap times as good or faster than a equal 2-stroke is a marvel in technology. In fact, I got on an '06 KX450F and it seemed a little slow compared to my 07 CR250. After a few minutes I was amazed at how smooth it was. I knew that it was a high tech, high dollar machine and was well engineered, probably a little better engineered than my CR. I know this-we all do.

But my CR is no longer available, as are almost all OEMs 2-strokes. How long do you think Yamaha is going to keep making the YZ? KTM may hold on for a little while, as will Husaberg. The 2-stroke is disappearing. That's great if you want to rave about a machine that is widely available and is the future, but don't piously turn your nose just because we give an argument for the 2-stroke, which soon will not be available.

While 4-strokes bulldoze and bully consumers into submission, the attitude against a different machine than what is being rammed down our throats is becoming increasingly hostile.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 17, 2011, 02:11:53 PM »

It fully amazes me that some people come on here and start praising 4-strokes (to any degree). Most of us have ridden a 4-stroke. Do you really think that you're going to convince us that 4-strokes are really that great? Sure a 450F is faster than a 250 and a 250F is faster than a 125. Don't you think we know this? Who cares if all the sudden you jumped on a 4-stroke and had your eyes opened to how much faster you were on a 4-stroke? Who are you preaching to? We know the OEM's wave of the future is high dollar, high tech 4-strokes. Do you think most of us on here don't see what's going on? Or that somehow we're off in a cave somewhere and need to be enlightened by a born again 4-stroke fanatic? Why do people like this even come on here and post?

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: "I will win on my KTM"

« on: August 15, 2011, 09:21:24 PM »

Maybe, if he changed that ugly front fender.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 15, 2011, 08:50:45 PM »

Borrowed bike because i didnt have a 450, the one i bought broke a rod so i parted it out(kaw) ,had a 250f didnt feel like it was fast enough since the 360 was faster ! and didnt have good luck on it,also people would slam me about that bike every time i raced it last yr untill i let them ride it and then they would say its still ugly . lol... and for people to say that thumpers are junk is nuts !!!!never practiced on the KXf450 and  just rode the regional qualifier the area Q i raced my 250f

I'm just trying to clarify what you're saying. Are you saying that you think 4-strokes are what is needed in today's racing since they have helped you race at a higher level? And are you saying that regardless of their hugely negative impact on today's economy (especially the local parents of teens racing 250Fs), that they are a better racing alternative to the 2-stroke?

Have you read any of the comments on the Rule change petition. These comments tell the story of what 4-strokes is doing to the local racing scene.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 4 $troke lovers= delusional people

« on: August 15, 2011, 05:47:25 PM »

Well, its obvious that a bike with more horsepower that hits every other stroke is going to be easier to ride fast. Duh, do we need a brain surgeon to figure this out? The problem is that people who ride and race 4-strokes have been punked out by the OEMs and have bought into the idea of how wonderful they are. Meanwhile, the price of these machines continues to skyrocket and so does their racing cost.

The whole idea of racing a 2-stroke is that it is a purer form of racing machinery. It has fewer moving parts, is lighter, and has more power liter for liter than a 4-stroke. But, the OEMs don't see a monetary value in these so they have propagandized the American dirt biker into buying their more expensive product and all the profits it will gain them.

Sure 2-strokes require maintenance too, every dirt bike does, especially racing one. But who are we kidding - are you guys trying to say that doing a top end on a 4-stroke is easier, less cost effective, and cheaper than a 2-stroke? Give me a break.

Why do we have to keep going over this BS? Miedoso is right, how can you compare a ragged out 90s 2-stroke to a high performance 450F. These are night and day. Plus the early KTMs were horrible in every part other than the engine.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: We need a boycott

« on: August 15, 2011, 03:09:39 PM »

Well, one of the problems with the AMA is that one of their officials (DC) makes his livelihood from the outdoors series, so if Honda pulled out, then he would lose money. So, I think you can see the conflict of interest. He has to keep them pleased, otherwise he loses his series (and kickbacks I would imagine).

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: We need a boycott

« on: August 12, 2011, 08:34:52 PM »

No-o-o-o!  Don't make me get rid of my CR500

CR500's are exempt from any boycott.

Definitely X2! Don't sell your CR500!

If anyone can come up with a good idea on how to boycott the AMA, then I'm all ears. I think boycotting or having anything to do with the AMA or Youthstream is useless IMO. Honda hasn't done anything but paid the AMA officials, and threatened to pull out of the series. Feld is just using the AMA rules, and I get the feeling they could care less. Youthstream is also piggybacking off of the AMA. Ultimately the AMA is controlled by the OEMs.

Davey Coombs even said that he just couldn't endorse a proposed rule change in an industry meeting or even bring it up - that it would be too much for them, and that the OEMs had no interest in it. Of course we know that the industry already knows about the petition and the proposed rule change.

So, the AMA is a dead end. The only thing that will bring a change is something outside of the AMA rulebook. Races like the Monster Cup, and 2-stroke Nationals are what will bring about the change.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: my YZ250 finaly has some low end grunt.

« on: August 12, 2011, 08:11:14 PM »

Wow, that was pretty cool. Way to be heads up. I'll bet that's a sweet bike.