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« on: December 23, 2009, 10:24:53 PM »
I thought I'd check out some of the spin about the new KX450F, and couldn't help notice its kickstarter was about three feet long and had not one, but THREE 90-degree angles in it. I pointed this out in the comments and noted, "Four-strokes, man, they're ridiculous."
Then, on comes a guy claiming that they're better, and off we go. Here's the conversation so far.
JETZcorp:
What I want to know is, who's the bonehead that decided a bike needs not one, but THREE 90-degree angles in the kickstarter? At the same time, who decided that said kickstarter should be 16" long and made of? chicken wire?
Four-strokes, man, they're ridiculous.
rcowner12:
what he means is its ridiculous how? much more powerful they are than 2 strokes...
JETZcorp
If someone showed up there with an open-class two-stroke, everyone there would shit their pants. Maico's new (meaning year 1999) 500 two-stroke makes 67 horsepower at the crank. I want you to find me ONE single-cylinder 4T that can do that. Just one. ? Should be easy, right?
A 4T will only have more power for one or more of the following reasons:
- It has a turbocharger.
- It has a supercharger.
- The AMA allows them to cheat.
Take that away and the 2T will have half-again the power of a 4T.
MonkeyManFsU:
2T are bad, there? not used by the pro's anymore for a reason. To inconsistant, not enough useable power, and the worst is the annoying sound
JETZcorp:
You think the professional racers get to choose what bike they ride? Oh man, that's hilarious. And as for inconsistent power, you've obviously never ridden a Maico. The power delivery from that is pure butter, with no hiccups or inconsistencies to be found. It feels like a 4T but with a lot? more top-end. Or rather, a 4T that actually HAS top-end.
Going back to the pros, you might want to take a look at what Stewart and Carmichael ride for fun. It's YZ250 and RM250, respectively.
MonkeyManFsU:
Your last statement is impecable and agrees with me, pros use 4t for a reason. 2T are way unreliable, when I had an kx85 the bike's engine (the thning that makes the bike go) broke 6 times. Transmission 1, top end rebuild 4, And bottom end rebuild 1. So we sold it got a mans bike (CRF150R) I clear 90 ft tables with no problem, had the bike since 07 no problems. I use my bro's kx250f now but no way I would go back to a 2T. A 250 2T doesnt even compare to our kx250f.? Hasnt broke either
JETZcorp:
My 1967 Kawasaki 120 (two-stroke) is 42 years old and still runs the original piston, and I can guarantee it got 100 miles put on it every weekend of the summer for five years straight. The only maintenance we did was to replace the oil and tweak the clutch. I don't know what could possibly have happened to your KX85; perhaps you weren't using? enough oil.
Ricky and Bubba both rode 4T professionally because they were paid to. The factories like 4T because the profit margin is greater.
What will happen next?