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Technical / Re: stuck in 1st

« on: August 03, 2011, 06:25:08 PM »

OOOOOoookey doke.   This problem hopefully solved.  It looks as though a dowel pin (or a bushing) fell in there and stuck between a gear.  I split the case and found it on the left side.  The microfiche (http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/oem-parts/HONDA/2001/CR125/CRANKCASE) (36,37) says there's only two dowels for the case half to fit on, and I believe I have both intact and functioning in their respective places.  The other problem is this: I went into the clutch side first to check the shifting linkage and the kickstart gear that goes below the gear the kickstart is attached to has a copper type bushing and it pushed out about halfway and is peened over and mashed.  On the back of the clutch hub there is minimal rub from it or from the "dowel pin".  Now the big question is....is this a mystery dowel pin or is this part that looks verrry similar to a dowel or is it a bushing off of something? 

On the microfiche I can't seem to order just the kickstart gear bushing, wtf, do I gotta get the whole gear?http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/oem-parts/HONDA/2001/CR125/KICK-STARTER-SPINDLE  It's gear #2, the idler, is the bushing "built in".?   That's not my main concern, its these freakin extra parts, and in this case this dowel/washer!  I cant find where else a dowel would go....any ideas on any bushings that look very similar to a dowel, chamfered on the end the same, bend and damage much like a dowel would go?  Thanks!

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Technical / stuck in 1st

« on: August 02, 2011, 01:53:26 PM »

Although, it's a gear I probably should stay in, it's not too fun after awhile. 

This is my newest problem from the end of my 2001 CR 125 case split post:

Put the flywheel on and braaaap braaap!  But here's me thinking I get to split em again a third time:  SHE'S STUCK IN 1ST NOW! haha  I rode Sunday, went over the bars beautifully in the whoops, rode again yesterday and stupid me always checking to see what gear I'm in clicks down to 1st and it sticks there.  Know what that might be? What parts may I need now?  Thaaaanks two stroke brethren/sisterns

For those of you who havent been following the post, on my second time of splitting the cases I had to re-install an extra washer on the main drive between a bearing and a gear that I forgot.  I doubt that it's the problem this time, but I have been wrong a time or two before!   Thanks again

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: August 02, 2011, 10:23:26 AM »

Put the flywheel on and braaaap braaap!  But here's me thinking I get to split em again a third time:  SHE'S STUCK IN 1ST NOW! haha  I rode Sunday, went over the bars beautifully in the whoops, rode again yesterday and stupid me always checking to see what gear I'm in clicks down to 1st and it sticks there.  Know what that might be? What parts I need now?  Thaaaanks two stroke brethren/sisterns!

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 29, 2011, 11:52:18 PM »

I never thought to look at the tranny section of the microfiche and it looks like I put it in the right spot: http://www.nielsens.com/fiche_section_detail.asp   Now I just have to see what size it is

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 29, 2011, 11:28:03 PM »

Please tell that you need the flywheel in order for it to kick over "correctly."  Please...even if you're lying.  I put the washer inside the left case on the main drive shaft....it has to go there, it fits with a pretty tight tolerance...anyway, I put it on the end of the shaft of the main tranny gears, with the flat side so it would be towards the bearing when I put the case back on.   Many times while re assembling my scoot I thought of just putting the kickstart on the engine and seeing if it would kick over.  But no, not until I put it all back together again did I do that.  Again, please tell me that you need a flywheel (which should be in tomorrow) in order for it to kick over smoothly.  It sounds like a tranny something or other and kicks hard.  I didnt think of even checking it, because I thought I had it right this time for sure, until I was putting the chain back on and I couldnt get a neutral spin goin on.  pleeeaase  victoria pleeease   lie to me!

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 26, 2011, 02:37:16 PM »

Ok I found the key! In the inner part of the flywheel most likely stuck to the magnets in there, thats what caused it to be "stuck".  The key stuck on one pack of wires...gorfing them up in the process!  Do I need a whole new flywheel or can you just get the magnet/wire part (magneto? stator? whats it called?)?   OEM setup was like whooooaaa $400-some, ebay be the best idea?

Gots a while to flip that washer around now.  Hello, Eric Gorr......

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 26, 2011, 01:33:23 PM »

Missing the key would not prevent it from turning but WILL keep it from running. I think it likely that your hard clutch pull is associated with the "problem" and I also predict that the washer is not the binding issue (but needs to find its home nevertheless).  

Effffffffffer...one thing I can already see I forgot/probly lost....the key in the flywheel shaft.  Would that cause the "locking" up problem?  Do I still get this souvenir washer? Looking further...

Yea I said the flywheel backplate type thing bent when the flywheel "spun off".   "Insert Quote
Ok, the clutch pull is from the key not being on the flywheel shaft and it bent the "prong" of the piece that holds the flywheel backing to the motor but also holds the clutch actuator in.  It bent off its bottom pin where it sits and allows the clutch actuator to come out farther, so I gotta either bend that back and get a new one"

I hope now that I didnt damage the flywheel, it seems to be the "stuck" part. and I cant tell but I bet its not on so straight anymore.  May be even hard to get off being on tittywompiss now!

No one knows where the one washer goes when you pull off the left side cover?  I have a good guess, but it's just that.  No washers on the microfiche...wtfffffreeeak

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 25, 2011, 02:50:29 PM »

Ok, the clutch pull is from the key not being on the flywheel shaft and it bent the "prong" of the piece that holds the flywheel backing to the motor but also holds the clutch actuator in.  It bent off its bottom pin where it sits and allows the clutch actuator to come out farther, so I gotta either bend that back and get a new one. 

The washer is 13/16" inside, and about 1 3/16 outside diameter and it looks as though it matches right up with the primary drive bearing.  My other friend came over who has a bit of two stroke motor experience and agreed, and it has wear on both the o.d. and i.d. of it, question is when I get back in there what way does the "flat" go.  It seems like it would be "key" (haha pun intended for me being a retard) as the flat side has more of a burr on its edges.  I cant seem to find it listed on the microfiche though: http://www.cycleworldnj.com/fiche_section_detail.asp

So now I probably need a new key ( I know, I know, a manual) and the pullers again.  If the key is less than a week away Im definitely gonna order the flywheel puller and possibly a case splitter...the right tools for the job!  Garrrrrrrf     I'm going to re-use the gaskets, keep your thoughts on that within your own self.

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 25, 2011, 01:50:39 PM »

Effffffffffer...one thing I can already see I forgot/probly lost....the key in the flywheel shaft.  Would that cause the "locking" up problem?  Do I still get this souvenir washer? Looking further...

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 25, 2011, 01:41:42 PM »

Hmmm i seem to remember a medium sized washer that dislodged easily out of the powervalve actuator.
Sounds like somewhere in the clutch would be a good start though.

What exactly is the powervalve actuator? (I know, I know, I should have a manual)  This washer is about 3/4'' inner diameter, just guessing.  I will double check.  Thanks for the all the help/troubleshooting but I did not even open the right/clutch side...it has to be something between the left case cover and tranny or somewhere on that side.  I have a pretty strong feeling I'm going right back into her even though she sits completely re-assembled, ready to rail....well if I wasn't such a fleatard! 

Thanks for the microfiche pic, gave me the idea that I could actually "see" where it may go. 

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 24, 2011, 05:56:44 PM »

I just remembered this: The clutch pull seemed alot harder than normal too after we got it back together.

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 24, 2011, 05:55:31 PM »

Hey ya'll!  Long time no update, but here I am with the scoot back together after a "good" Sunday afternoon of doing bike work.  So here it is...big moment, fresh filter, oil, gas, chain/sprockets.  One little thing going on in my mind all the way to putting on the last seat bolt......THAT GOSH DARN LAST WASHER!   Yea, I figured it looked like too much of a "inside motor" washer and after the first kick over of the motor: Yea something doesnt sound right...sounded like a "loose" piston or something wasn't right, second kick....same sound, definitely not something right.  Third kick and it's "locked"...stuck.   Lord, I know I didnt attend church today and did bike work instead, but please just let it be something on the top end.  Nah, it's gotta be that washer.  So...without a manual and not seeing where it may have "fell" from, does anyone know where this "medium" size washer may be from?  It can't go up against the four bearings.  Does it have something to do, or bump up against the tranny?  Quite a fun, new sort of realm of the two stroke world that I haven't wrenched into yet, and Im thinking I'll have to journey into there again!  My buddy said "hopefully it's just something stupid in the top end" but I think it was us being stupid and playing the "wait to see if you have any parts left" game.

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 11, 2011, 04:30:33 PM »

Ford832, Mr T. saying no to fourstrokes...yeaaa!

Last three questions(you can only hope)

1.I got a flywheel puller, I also need ta get my hands on a case splitter tool?
2. Do those 4 bearings (primary drive,etc.) in the left case come in a kit perhaps? (Yea I dont wanna tear down this gutless wonder this far again so I'm going all bearings and seals)
3.I haven't ordered parts over the web in a coons age, whats the best/easiest site.  I'm talking good chain/sprock deals too

4. Hang Loose!

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Technical / Re: 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 11, 2011, 02:15:53 PM »

Daaang, someone made it sound alot easier (inexperienced, obviously) like it would just be a sidecover pull and replace.  Alright I'm off to find a manual and watch some youtube vids about it....any know of an online manual?  Do you recommend replacing the bearings that came in the left side cover(used)?  Thanks for the help, off to the bottom end of uncharted territory I go!

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Technical / 01 CR 125 case split, parts needed to re-assemble?

« on: July 11, 2011, 03:58:56 AM »

Hello ladies and gents, I got into a 3rd gear tangled mess with what was a prime morning at the mx track with my buddy, but ended up as a de-railed chain cracking my left side case.  I have a new left side case on the way but am a virgin to splitting the cases.  This seemed as though it would be as easy as a two stroke top end but now I am seeing I need a fly wheeler puller and about 3 other specialty tools.  Am I wrong? (Please say yes) 

Also I am wondering what parts I need when going back together.  Base gasket, primary drive seal? any more seals? 

Any help is greatly appreciated!

(and does anyone have Moto814 Steve's email?)