Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Hondacrrider on January 05, 2010, 06:55:28 PM
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I know, I know, it won't have any two strokes, and if there are any two strokes, and if they are, they most likely won't make the main. Yes, supercross, is not as exciting, as, say in 2004, but, it still involves dirtbikes!
I mean, we(well, at least I do) love dirt bikes, I mean, ya, the bikes do cost more, sure, the factories rule the roost, but, the sport is still quite spectacular, you must admit, it may be cookie cutter, but it is still our sport, I mean, four strokes still have their advantage. No offense to anyone, but, some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way, enjoy the fact that we are still allowed to ride our two strokes, we may not be able to watch them being ridden by proffessionals, but, we still get to see some pretty cool stuff. Just look at last years Anaheim 1, It was full of surprises, who would have thought that James and Chad would crash and James would have to leave the race, and who would have thought that an almost unknown would win a supercross main, with a barrier bag stuck in his wheel, if you don't find that exciting, well then, I give up.
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I'm going to watch it, because right now that's all we have.
It's quite naive to think we sound like 2 year olds because we are not getting our way. It's sad that the youth of our sport have no idea of it's history. If they did, they wouldn't tolerate the half of what is going on. Here's what you said, in your words.
1. SX and MX is "cookie cutter". That's true. Because the 4T has been forced on us, the tracks are changed and the whole thing is silly.
2. It's not "our" sport. It is the sport of the manufacturers. The majority of tehose involved at the professional level are glorified puppets. In reality, the majority have ZERO say in what happens in SX and MX.
3. It's not the the 2T isn't competitive. The powers on high won't allow competition.
4. It's worth repeating. The 4T has done absolutely nothing for our sport. It has raised costs for all involved, made the show boring, caused tracks and riding areas to close because of noise and has stopped countless kid the ability to ride/race simple because costs are too much.
5. I HATE the 4T. I always will. I don't care who knows it, and who doesn't like it. I have FACTS on my side. I don't tell the half of the nightmare of the 4T competition engine.
To continue to apologize for 2T's is to stand there and shoot yourself in the head. Day after day. 4T lovers (for the most part) are defiantly militant. The factories laugh at the spineless, jellyfish American consumer.
Yes, I'm going to watch. But I will NEVER join the AMA, participate in ANY event sanctioned by AMA or apologize for teh 2T.
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Yes, but what I am saying, is that people are going to extremes, of not even going to motocross, or riding at all because four strokes are more popular and the rules are favored towards the 4$troke. I think this is ridiculous, whether a dirt bike is a 2 stroke or a 4, IT IS STILL A DIRTBIKE! IT IS STILL A FRICKING AWESOME INVENTION! Sorry for yelling, but, we are complaining so much of the 4t's, but why? I think we should still stick to the sport like glue, just do so in a different kind of way, meaning, ride our "dated" two stroke machines at the track, and in general just support 2 strokes, but I don't think we should leave Motocross/Supercross just because things are unfair, that is what I meant by some of us being spoiled 2 year olds.
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"some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way,"
In reality the people who are putting their fingers in their ears and screaming like spoilt children are the 4 stroke advocates, clinging onto the unfair 2 x engine size for dear life cos they know as soon as the record is put straight and we get fair and equal displacement rules their charade will be over big time and its long overdue for happening.
Without having the rules unfairly bent in the 4 strokes favour their crappy bikes can't handle taking on the might of a 2 stroke, they are running scared thats for sure!
In the UK we didnt leave motocross / supercross we started our own series that bypassed the criminals at our equivelent of the AMA, and believe me that Red Bull Pro National Series is going to grow and grow til we overtake the bent one
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"some of us sound like little 2 year olds screaming, because we aren't getting our own way,"
In reality the people who are putting their fingers in their ears and screaming like spoilt children are the 4 stroke advocates, clinging onto the unfair 2 x engine size for dear life cos they know as soon as the record is put straight and we get fair and equal displacement rules their charade will be over big time and its long overdue for happening.
Without having the rules unfairly bent in the 4 strokes favour their crappy bikes can't handle taking on the might of a 2 stroke, they are running scared thats for sure!
In the UK we didnt leave motocross / supercross we started our own series that bypassed the criminals at our equivelent of the AMA, and believe me that Red Bull Pro National Series is going to grow and grow til we overtake the bent one
Sounds Awesome, now, that is what we need, a new series, althought I have heard that their is a new one being started up!
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Yeah I hope so to dude - I read comments about dirt bikes all over the net and people arent fooled by the 4 stroke crap, this issue isnt going to go away!!
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Yeah I hope so to dude - I read comments about dirt bikes all over the net and people arent fooled by the 4 stroke crap, this issue isnt going to go away!!
I don't know, there are many people fooled, look on youtube, youtube has so many brilliant minds, I gotta say...jk of course!
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To see Bubba Stewart winning by 2 laps and Reed finishing 2nd? Just LOL. With the Speed TV commentators calling 2 stroke vintage! LOL and yeah.. to add to the insults I think the worst of all is watching the TV commercials with all the 4 stroke in it every frigging 5 minutes. LOL The sport is worthless to watch ... I am looking forward to watch AMA/DMG road racing series because the only factories left is Yami and Suzuki. Kawi,Honda, and Buell(dead) pulled out!!! All I can say is WOW!
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Im watching it, i wanna see Josh Hill get some good results this year :P
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Yes, but what I am saying, is that people are going to extremes, of not even going to motocross, or riding at all because four strokes are more popular and the rules are favored towards the 4$troke. I think this is ridiculous, whether a dirt bike is a 2 stroke or a 4, IT IS STILL A DIRTBIKE! IT IS STILL A FRICKING AWESOME INVENTION! Sorry for yelling, but, we are complaining so much of the 4t's, but why? I think we should still stick to the sport like glue, just do so in a different kind of way, meaning, ride our "dated" two stroke machines at the track, and in general just support 2 strokes, but I don't think we should leave Motocross/Supercross just because things are unfair, that is what I meant by some of us being spoiled 2 year olds.
Extreme times require extreme measures. I am one of those who will not participate in anything AMA that requires me to pay for it. I do not support companies that come out publically in support of 4T's in any way.
If you think the $t dirt bike is a "freakin' awesome invention", than you and I will agree to disagree. There is ZERO that is good with 4T's. Don't tell me they make more HP. They don't. Don't tell me they make more torque. They don't. Don't tell me they pollute less, have a smaller "carbon footprint", get better traction or are so easy to ride they make you a better rider because you can cut faster lap times with a 450 than a 250. That's all 100%, grade AA bull crap. There is proof on this very site where a 20 something rider was 2-3 seconds a lap FASTER on a KX 500 than a KX 450! I can assure you, that if a real pro, like Danny Chandler or Jeff Ward or Brad Lackey (to name just a few) spent a few hours of coaching this kid to correct all his bad $T habits, he would be faster yet. Just from his absolute lack of understanding ansd experience. How can you dispute these facts. Naturally, the kid wants to eat so he picked the slow revving, overweight, technologically ignorant $T. It kept his job for him.
You guys can continue to kowtow to these fools. Try to get along with them. Keep going to their races and supporting their sponsors. Play the patsy. See where you are in 5 years. When this all started, it was TWO STROKE MILITIA. For a reason. That is the mind set WE need. We will never slurp our way back into mainstream. The japanes factories don't want it. And KTM talks the talk, but their walk don't match. I have said it before: I REFUSE to ride with $T guys, unless I know them very VERY well. If that means I ride less, so be it. I'm tired of no starting (pull started many of those turds), stalling, flaming out, loud PIGS. I guess I see it different than the younger folks. If you haven't figured it out yet, here is how it goes: You CAN'T go along to get along. That is what has been done. How's that working for you so far?
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i cant look at sx 4ts as they are so boring ,
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We need more people like the mad scientist. Why? So we can get the truth out there and watch the 4 poke go crashing into the ground. Remember history repeats it self, back in the 50's and 60's 4 pokes were the bikes to have after that two strokes and now were are back to the POS 4 pokes. Give it a few more years and let the technology on the two stroke to catch up and we shall be back in business.
Oh yea, and I quit riding MX for a frigging reason, the POS loud, dull sounding 4 poke with double the displacement. If they allowed 125 4 pokes I would be happy. With a noise limit of 90db too!!
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I always start out the season with high expectations with interest in watching and following the series. Then by round 5 or 6 have completely been bored to tears!!
The tracks are all the same, and have such similar cookie-cutter obstacles, with an occasional interesting one thrown in for interest. Every corner seems to be a 180 degree bowl turn. The tracks are groomed to perfection.
The track layout is not like this because of Dirt Wurx. But more by all the other racers, manufacturers, teams and promoters. This I know first hand!
Honestly I agree with Mad Scientist more than I don't. By supporting the "four-stroke" agenda, we will never see two-strokes competing. It's a shame, but the only way to get fair rules is by not supporting the current regime.
While there are some folks battling very hard to start up a competing series it is a huge undertaking. Plus anything that is done will be under the microscope of the detractors and they will tear it down at every turn. This will make getting a new series off the ground a little more challenging.
But as I see it now, it will be the only way.
As for the announcers saying that two-strokes are vintage, that seems to be "company policy" and a part of the Big 4 "Marketing hype". Whenever I've spoken to folks in Pro Racing about the two-strokes they always say the word "vintage". I didn't understand it at the time, but now it's perfectly clear.
It truly is the four-stroke crowd that is afraid of fair competition. Just mention equal displacement in Pro Racing to a four-stroke fanatic and observe the reaction. Every single excuse possible is stated except the obvious... that it's CHEATING!
Someone mentioned that the two-strokes took over from the four-strokes in the 60's and 70's, which is true. But the only way that the four-strokes were able to get back into the game is with horrendous lopsided rules allowing double the displacement over the two-stroke.
The manufacturers understand that the consumers that buy motocross bikes, buy them based on what wins in the Pro Classes. Even guys that trail ride and will never venture out on a race track are influenced by the results in the Pro Classes. By ensuring that an equal sized two-stroke is never allowed to compete with their "technologically advanced"(insert double displacement cheater bike here) four-strokes, they never have to deal with the two-strokes because by doing this they eliminate them. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
Make no mistake about it, they are out to destroy the two-stroke and any chance of fair competition on any level. That's why there are all the rules that are in their favor, so that a small company that actually is cutting edge can't show up on race day and destroy the illusion.
Take a quick looked at the ISDE racing, where there are no restrictions on the brand of machine you can ride. Then notice where the Big 4 finish.... pretty surprising if you ask me.
The two-stroke doesn't need development to catch up to the four-stroke, it needs fair rules. Once those are in place everything else will take care of itself.
Honestly there are too many people making a great deal of money in Pro Racing, that this will never happen. Unless we as a group do something to change it.
What do you choose?
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Mad Scientists says STAND UP AND BE COUNTED! Don't support them...oh wait...I already went there. I'll just drink my juice with fiber in it and move on :-[ :-X >:D :D
And MS still can't see smileys. And yes I'm wearing my glasses.
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We are working on this new series. But although there are a lot of outcries on internet boards. We have not received anyone's donations or any other help so far, besides what we have gone out and gotten ourselves. I posted on another board after a 27 page rant, that I will put up or shut up. We are doing just that. Today we have a meeting with a national track owner and a potential sponsor. If you are serious, start contacting sponsors and forwarding them our website. We need help to further this cause. Help us to help the cause. :-)
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I will never join the Dark Side! I am a 2 stroke rider til the end.
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I slammed some clowns on another site for slamming on your series. These FOOLS are what makes your job 1000 times more difficult. And they have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. Like the strong arm tactics used by "certain" groups and individuals, the financial threats imposed on those who will break away and other things I don't want to print in public.
I feel for you my friend. I have put the word out. Hopefully I can send something your way soon.
Note to those who are thinking of buying a new bike: rather than put your money into the ones who are killing our sport, why not keep your current ride and send the money to help this series. This MAN is in for the fight of his life. We should all commit to help in some way >:( 8)
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People were really slamming the new series already?? When they don't know anything about it?
That's what I'm talking about... people are slamming something just because it's not being written about in the major Motocross media. They think they are doing the right thing, but they are just regurgitating the bull that's been fed to them. In a way it's a shame, in another way it's a crime.
The part that's discouraging is that Meidosracing is putting up and getting so little support. What's worse is he's getting so little support from two-stroke fans. Even an e-mail of support would be nice! :D Just let the guy know that you truly want him to succeed.
My gut feeling is that the people that spend time on the internet are not really interested or involved in racing. Just some keyboard commandos looking to show themselves as bigger than they actually are. Hopefully some of the folks that visit this board are more interested in actually doing something. Am I right?
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We are working on this new series. But although there are a lot of outcries on internet boards. We have not received anyone's donations or any other help so far, besides what we have gone out and gotten ourselves. I posted on another board after a 27 page rant, that I will put up or shut up. We are doing just that. Today we have a meeting with a national track owner and a potential sponsor. If you are serious, start contacting sponsors and forwarding them our website. We need help to further this cause. Help us to help the cause. :-)
if you set up a pay pal account then we can contribute from the uk and all over the globe.
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Yes, we have a paypal account setup already, please visit www.pronmx.com (http://www.pronmx.com) . It should work fine from anywhere. We get money from all over already. We did make some changes, so please let us know if it doesn't work. Thanks.
PS. Very good meeting today. May happen in 2010.... More later. ;-)
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People were really slamming the new series already?? When they don't know anything about it?
That's what I'm talking about... people are slamming something just because it's not being written about in the major Motocross media. They think they are doing the right thing, but they are just regurgitating the bull that's been fed to them. In a way it's a shame, in another way it's a crime.
The part that's discouraging is that Meidosracing is putting up and getting so little support. What's worse is he's getting so little support from two-stroke fans. Even an e-mail of support would be nice! :D Just let the guy know that you truly want him to succeed.
My gut feeling is that the people that spend time on the internet are not really interested or involved in racing. Just some keyboard commandos looking to show themselves as bigger than they actually are. Hopefully some of the folks that visit this board are more interested in actually doing something. Am I right?
Yes, they were slamming the series. AND the guy who posted the link to the site. I'm still checking in over at this "certain" site to keep track of the situation. I am prepared to be banned for life from that joke of a web site.
Your other point is why I am borderline writing a scathing commentary on 2T owners. They can't defend what they do or something. I have yet to understand it. These guys feel like they need to say something (ANYTHING) good about 4T's. I'm not going to do it. I never have. I never will. I have spent my entire life screwing with IC engines. I will NOT apologize for telling the truth AS I SEE IT. My question is this: Why do 2T guys feel the need to defend junk dirtbikes? Bikes that have done nothing for the sport. The problem lies right at the feet of our own people. Just in case some one is not quite sure...this is a very sore subject with Mad Scientist.
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what ever you do, please keep it professional. When talking about the new series, reflects directly onto it. Thanks
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Wdon't likever you do, please keep it professional. Wdon't likever you do regarding the new series, reflects directly onto it. Thanks
Correct. I was defending the OP because the trolls were hammering him.
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If I could offer a small suggestion to you Mr. Mad Scientist...
....don't get too involved with those guys, it's too easy to say something that would be construed as wrong and reflect badly on this project. Believe me anything and everything you say can and will be used against you!
We've got to build up some very positive energy for this project.
Starting right here on this site.
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Watch Enducross! Way better series! EnduroCross TV - 2008 Grand Championships (Orleans Arena) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mdTL4HNVo0#) Mixed stroke! Watch the 2x2 dirt bike!
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Looks like the thread has died and that's where I'll leave it.
Still can't see smileys...even on the MAC...hummmmmmmmmmm :-[ :o
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Looks like the thread has died and that's where I'll leave it.
Still can't see smileys...even on the MAC...hummmmmmmmmmm :-[ :o
I cannot see the damn smileys 2 lol...
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Go J-Law!!!!!!!
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Yes, but what I am saying, is that people are going to extremes, of not even going to motocross, or riding at all because four strokes are more popular and the rules are favored towards the 4$troke. I think this is ridiculous, whether a dirt bike is a 2 stroke or a 4, IT IS STILL A DIRTBIKE! IT IS STILL A FRICKING AWESOME INVENTION! Sorry for yelling, but, we are complaining so much of the 4t's, but why? I think we should still stick to the sport like glue, just do so in a different kind of way, meaning, ride our "dated" two stroke machines at the track, and in general just support 2 strokes, but I don't think we should leave Motocross/Supercross just because things are unfair, that is what I meant by some of us being spoiled 2 year olds.
Extreme times require extreme measures. I am one of those who will not participate in anything AMA that requires me to pay for it. I do not support companies that come out publically in support of 4T's in any way.
If you think the $t dirt bike is a "freakin' awesome invention", than you and I will agree to disagree. There is ZERO that is good with 4T's. Don't tell me they make more HP. They don't. Don't tell me they make more torque. They don't. Don't tell me they pollute less, have a smaller "carbon footprint", get better traction or are so easy to ride they make you a better rider because you can cut faster lap times with a 450 than a 250. That's all 100%, grade AA bull crap. There is proof on this very site where a 20 something rider was 2-3 seconds a lap FASTER on a KX 500 than a KX 450! I can assure you, that if a real pro, like Danny Chandler or Jeff Ward or Brad Lackey (to name just a few) spent a few hours of coaching this kid to correct all his bad $T habits, he would be faster yet. Just from his absolute lack of understanding ansd experience. How can you dispute these facts. Naturally, the kid wants to eat so he picked the slow revving, overweight, technologically ignorant $T. It kept his job for him.
You guys can continue to kowtow to these fools. Try to get along with them. Keep going to their races and supporting their sponsors. Play the patsy. See where you are in 5 years. When this all started, it was TWO STROKE MILITIA. For a reason. That is the mind set WE need. We will never slurp our way back into mainstream. The japanes factories don't want it. And KTM talks the talk, but their walk don't match. I have said it before: I REFUSE to ride with $T guys, unless I know them very VERY well. If that means I ride less, so be it. I'm tired of no starting (pull started many of those turds), stalling, flaming out, loud PIGS. I guess I see it different than the younger folks. If you haven't figured it out yet, here is how it goes: You CAN'T go along to get along. That is what has been done. How's that working for you so far?
Well, I guess we do disagree, because, I have friends that ride four strokes, I still stand my ground about the two stroke, but, i still ride with them, they are still riding that goes in the dirt, and has two wheels, and, plus, when you ride with four stroke riders, it brings back memories for them, good memories...
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I say ride with them and "if" you have a finely tuned 2 stroke, let them ride it, show them what it can do. I know that when I finish this build on my 02 that I will let some of my faster friends ride it, just to show them what it can do. I also buy parts from Mitch Payme Payton, I buy 2-stroke parts, to show them that they can still make money off of selling two-stroke parts. If we boycott every company that suports 4t's then we are killing 2t's because these compnies see that their is no money in 2t's so they will stop producing parts. .02
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What some of you are missing is the fact that the "herd" mentality rules. Most of these guys are following the "herd". So no matter what you do, they will follow like lemmings to the sea.
As far as supporting PC...that's a laugher. In it's hey day of 2T racing, PC never made this kind of money. Payton himself said 4T's did nothing but triple the cost of racing. His words. Not mine. That meand he's making triple the money. I was going to say its liked being hooked on drugs (only in a different manner) but some internet freak will cut and paste and take my words out of context. There are not enough parts on a 2T to ever make up the difference.
That's why I said I only ride with "select" 4T riders. And very VERY few of them. I don't think like they do, don't talk the way they do. They are lost sheep and the media is their master. Every hear "opposites attract"? That is a lie. If you are attracted to someone/something you are far more similar to them than not. I have already stated my views on the "modern" "technologically advanced" pigs called 4T's.
What is stunning is the fact that someone will go out and post a picture of a 4T on a 2T site and then try to get everyone to think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you like 4T's so well thimper talk would love to have you.
I come HERE to get AWAY from 4T people.
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I think you need a hug M.S.-but don't look at me! ;D
As for the SX,I can't wait.As long as the series stays close and no one runs away with it.4t or not,I love motorcycle racing of any sort.Woohoo is it sat night yet?
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No hugs need here. I'll watch it. But I'll puke every time they show DeCoster. And every time I hear how great the 4T is.
Yes, it will be a puke-a-rama for sure.
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Yeah,you say that but you know you need one-so here you go-and don't say I never give ya nuthin' lol.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/ford832/bikini-smile.jpg)
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Well, I guess we do disagree, because, I have friends that ride four strokes, I still stand my ground about the two stroke, but, i still ride with them, they are still riding that goes in the dirt, and has two wheels, and, plus, when you ride with four stroke riders, it brings back memories for them, good memories...
I agree with you... riding a dirt bike is about the fun!! Plus by having your two-stroke in front of them and when they see you smiling, they just might ask you what the deal is and consider a two-stroke.
Not that I dis-agree with everything that the Mad Scientist has written, I agree about not attending the races, I know it's not the best way of dealing with the problem, but by paying my money, I'm telling those in charge that I like the way things are now, and I don't.
For instance, I went to the Southwick National two years ago, because there was a rumor that John Dowd was going to race a two-stroke (he didn't) I tried to watch the races but it was kind of dull and way too loud. I left with a splitting headache and vowed not to attend another National unless there were two-strokes for me to cheer on. That happened at Unadilla in 2009 with the FMF 2 Stroke thingy....
Oh yeah, you know what really sucked about the Southwick event?? Seeing the poor privateers who stalled their bikes be unable to start them. They kicked while the rest of the field passed them two or three times. One guy got so frustrated he just left the bike and started walking back to the pits. A few minutes later his mechanic showed up, gave it two or three kicks and it finally started. The guy got a dnf because he stalled his bike. That sucks!!
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Guess I didn't make myself clear. I DO ride with 4T's. What I will not do is ride with guys I don't know, guys I've ridden with before who are 4T Nazis, or ride with guys who have no idea what they are talking about, and want to stand around and tell me how good the "modern" 4T is.
I've stated my position very bluntly. Who agrees and who disagrees with me is of no concern. I HATE 4T dirt bikes, that being single cylinder applications. Correct, I HATE them, for many reasons, on many levels. I have spent more time screwing with 4T's than I care to think about. So I get to speak from experience. Then, someone has the balls to post on this site, a picture of the latest PC 250F Kawasaki, and has the title "Better look at the new 4 stroke technology". I don't need to "LOOK" at anything. I've seen things so far advanced beyond that antiquated pig it's not funny. That bike is NOT cool, is NOT fast and IS overpriced. If you took 1/3 of the money (if that) and put it into a 250 2T, the 250 4T would not even come CLOSE in performance. What is really stupid is this: THIS IS A 2 STROKE WEB SITE. To the best of my knowledge, this site was established to PROMOTE the 2 stroke in MX and SX. And yet and still, I spend so much time refuting stupid 4T lies that it's becoming redundant. If you think 4T's are that "cool", that far "advanced", go buy one and join a site so you can share the love with your 4T buddies. Do I sound a little pissed? I AM. I came here to get AWAY from 4T morons, freaks, posers and motorcycle wannabe's. As moderator, I CAN wipe these threads out. And I probably SHOULD. But before I did that, I would sign off, sign out and go do something else.
As for not attending the races...that is the BEST option we have. In reality it's ONLY option we have. There is nothing wrong with it. To sit around and APOLOGIZE for doing it is asinine. Why would you spend your money on something that is substandard? If you think 4T racing is not substandard, there is nothing that can be done for you, except go get a 4T, and ride off into oblivion.
2T guys....STOP APOLOGIZING FOR THE 2T AND STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. Why do you feel it necessary to say something good about 4T's when there is PROOF there is nothing good about them? STOP DOING IT. YOU PERSONALLY MAKE THE JOB 100 TIMES MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE REST OF US.
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Do you know what really pisses me off, is I cant find a KX250 on Google or Yahoo. Every time I type it, it comes up with the KX250F POS. Same with the YZR500, I get the YZR-M1 4 poke. Here's an even better one, when the hell did Yamaha start calling a YZF1000 R1 a TZFR1RC-F in 2003 on bikebandit.http://www.bikebandit.com/2003-yamaha-motorcycle-parts/oem-parts (http://www.bikebandit.com/2003-yamaha-motorcycle-parts/oem-parts)
So let every POS 4 poke wannabe diesel eat valves, spin bearings, and turn pistons into a big molten pile of crap. I'll see you in hell 4 pokes!!!! >:D
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http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/492/5446/Motorcycle-Article/Supercross--Ryan-Dungey-Anaheim-1-Interview.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/492/5446/Motorcycle-Article/Supercross--Ryan-Dungey-Anaheim-1-Interview.aspx)
a little interview with dungey, check out the new NIKE MX boot wtf!!! i hope this kid does well, there has got to be some serious weight on his shoulders right now.
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http://inside.nike.com/blogs/nke6-en_US/2010/01/07/ryan-dungey-talks-nike-airmx (http://inside.nike.com/blogs/nke6-en_US/2010/01/07/ryan-dungey-talks-nike-airmx)
"warning" cover your ears at the end, lol. but seriously i love my tech 10's but those boots are crazy.
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SIDI fan here!!! A* are good but not that good! New Nike is designed by a former guy from FOX.
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Man those are one fugly boot :o
As for the 2t/4t thing.4t's are far superior in every way.I only came on this site to show M.S. the light of day.The reasons they are superior MS are as follows......well,I'll get to that later ;).Right now I have to run down to the bike shop to get some plastics and stuff for the YZ.
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GO J-Law!!
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Man those are one fugly boot :o
As for the 2t/4t thing.4t's are far superior in every way.I only came on this site to show M.S. the light of day.The reasons they are superior MS are as follows......well,I'll get to that later ;).Right now I have to run down to the bike shop to get some plastics and stuff for the YZ.
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Look at ford823 trying to poke the bear!! I was born at night for sure. Just not last night!!!
Good one. Let me know when you get that $T all scienced out. I'd love to hear it!
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Oh well,can't blame a guy for trying. :) BTW,I'll stop trying when I get to read part three.Until then........
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Hondacrrider,Don't be a sell out!As far as I'm concerned the only place in society that 4-stroke motorcyles belong is on streetbikes & NOT on any offroad dirtbikes especially in Supercross or Motocross racing!The only thing 4-stroke dirtbikes have done in any form of offroad racing is drastically raise the prices for the privateer race teams and also for the average weekend riders who don't realize sometimes until it's too late and after their new 4-stroke dirtbike has warped its piston and/or just plain wore out as so many of them do after sometimes as little as 8 months or 1 year later!That's quite a large price to pay for a new $7500.00 to $8000.00 dirtbike! And quite frankly that's when the owners of these suposedley new,so called state of the art 4-strokes get put up for sale for anybody who does'nt know any better to buy so the original owner can go back and buy a new 2-stroke.I don't know about you but I have seen countless 4-stroke owners do this after they realize what a bad decision they made by purchasing a 4-choke & they usually buy the 4-choke just because these are the dirtbikes that the pro SX/MX racers are riding & most of the time the pros don't have any choice anyway because they are influenced as well as paid by the manufacturers who are making tons of money due to inexperienced and/or uneducated dummys like all of the non-racers who think they can be like their Motocross heros.What us hardcore 2-stroke fans really need to do is NOT give in to the JUNK that the big money manufacturers are trying to sell us & refuse to buy anything but 2-strokes & also stop watching & going to the 4-choke races!If you must know who wins each week just check it out on the net. >:(
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Maicoman009 - Take it easy big fella!! :o :o
Many of us will watch the races on television, because we love motocross and racing. We agree with you, the four-strokes have not been anything good for the sport or the racers.... the reason for this post is to ask folks whether they were going to watch or not, mostly because there is no one for us to really "cheer" for racing a two-stroke.
And just so you know, Hondacrrider is a very young guy, who looks up to us "older" guys.... please be nice!!
Thank you.