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Whats the change you wish to see in moto/supercross?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 03:50:54 PM »
For all of the reasons mentioned, I don't watch, or support professional "motocross". At the local level, I wish people would stop accepting these tracks that are built in a flat field. Stop riding them, they'll stop building them, and motocross will come back.
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2013, 04:50:06 PM »
Besides the obvious cc for cc racing irrespective of engine type. Could be a rotary diesel for all I care.

Mine would be this: Proper Production rule. By this I mean factory teams must run almost everything OEM style. The only exclusions to me would be new spring rates, valving (suspension only) and tires. No more several-hundred-thousand dollar bikes. The bikes MUST weigh within 5 pounds of what it does coming off the showroom floor. Everything engine wise including exhaust must be 100% original factory. No engine work, nothing besides spring rates valving and tires to suit the occasion.

This would serve a couple of purposes if you ask me. For starters, get rid of these rebuild every race 250Fs. Its bloody stupid. It sends millionaire teams BANKRUPT FFS!!!!! I mean when a sport that is supposed to be open to most people is sending millionaires bankrupt, something needs to be done. Secondly, it gives the privateers a more even playing field. They can run their engines for a good 40 hours before rebuilding. Thirdly, it encourages manufacturers to FIX THE ISSUES OF A BIKE AT THE FACTORY!!!! Eg: 2009-12 CRF450R. Completely Useless in almost every department. But it didn't hold chad reed back did it? He was running alright on it. Cos he had a couple million dollars to spare. Fourthly it brings more rider skill into the equation. If a rider has to run what the factory blokes brung, flaws and all, its bound to throw in some interesting line choices and it shows viewers that just because Monster energy/Pro circuit Kawasaki team has won the past god knows how many championships it doesn't mean its the best bike. Although according to MXA it is lol.

Now maybe I'm just being shortsighted. I know that alot of the appeal to watch pro riders for some people is in these crazy tricked out bikes they ride, but I don' think thats what it should be about. Maybe if this rule was put into practise, all the factory teams would tell the AMA to eat a d**k and pack up and leave (Assuming they didn't just buy the rule out) and the market would crash. Its hard to know.

I think it would help in so many ways, but of course theres downsides to anything.
I really like these ideas. Talk about a level playing field. Then it would be down to rider skill. I would like to see the business model of the big 4 .... I'm curious what their end goal is? Then add in to the mix the greed of the ama and we end up with the soup sandwich of today.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2013, 05:43:44 PM »
In Supercross, tone down the tracks so there are fewer injuries. When all of the stars are out there, it's much more interesting. Last weekend's track looked a lot safer than other track designs.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2013, 06:29:51 PM »
I wish they would bring back the semi's in SX. I always liked the old format .....no timed practice just racing. Night show should be heats, semi's, last chance and mains. Less talking and more racing!
   I agree  the riders used to race hard for a qulifying spot.  I would like to see  2 whoop section   70 yards each.  And  a   longer tripple  65 feet isn,t that big.  And   a   very  steep and long  jump face ,   that   shoots   riders   50  feet  straight up   with  a  short  jumping  distance.   You know  the type of jump,  that when  you  hit  the peak height  you   hang  into the air   for  a second  or 2.  That  would  be  SUPERCROSS.
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2013, 09:34:11 PM »

1. Wish class structure would return back how it used to be with 3 distinct classes: 125cc, 250cc and Open Class

2. Have a 125cc pro class. 2 years maximum and then automatically moved up to 250 class.

3. I'd like to see 250cc 2 strokes run against 250 4 strokes (stop trying to kill 2 strokes).

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 10:03:50 PM »
beaner, unfortunatley some geographical locations are limited. the mid west for example. so best to race where you can.
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 07:07:56 AM »
1st change as the new comish:format

i would bring back semi's to the premier classes at night. i would also dissolve the east/west division and make is one series. i think bringing all the big name guys to every race would help with fan turnout. i would have 2-3 normal practice sessions and one 15-20 min timed qualifying session. i feel this would give the riders enough practice to learn the track at a comfortable pace and then the ending one would be go time. the other idea is i would have all open practices and you can set your time in any session. that way if you want to go out and set it your first lap or last you can. you dont have to be every session and you can go at your own pace

i would bring in a 125 class that would replace the east/west  with an east/central/west series each running 5-6 races and a shootout at the finale. this class would be restricted as a support class. not factory support. no riders getting paid by teams. this would essentially be a privateer class meant to help up and coming kids and provide an alternative for seasoned pros much like Arenacross used to do. Buddy Antunez is the poster child for this. he raced pro all throughout the 90's but raced AX instead of SX for awhile which netted him 5 AX titles. this would would still include a purse. the 125 class would do its qualifying racing during the day and do their main event after night qualifiers have run before the 250's

i would get rid of any possible age restrictions aside from min age of 16(possibly 18) i understand this has always been brought up as a possible way to encourage riders to move up in a timely manner but before all the age or time restrictions were in place you had many pros who would bounce back and forth between the two as a means of extending careers or an easier path from recovering from injuries. NAY NAY you say, well i would reply back that at this level of the game anyone who lines up is PRO. as kdub, dowd, the rock, doug henry, and many others have proven age is a number. Speed is what matters at this level and if you young skrawny ass cant beat a 46yr old who is your grandpa then what makes you more deserving of his spot?.

**I would also add a benefit to riders who earn a diploma or GED by waiving their first year pro license fee and one free entry. this would be more of a benefit to riders paying their own way or for "privateer" teams and i would recognize riders achieving any academic success. this would also be something i would implement into the amateur circuit

as far as  bikes go i would
 get rid of the gas rule. it was never a even a DECENT idea.

i would simplify the homogenized rules as well. i understand why they are there so someone doesnt show up with a completely built one off bike from the backyard shop. but i would make it to where an individual could show up with any mass produced bike and relevent documents like...titles or whatever within the past 5 yrs and race thus allowing bikes like TM's where only a few are ever imported and huskvarna's which are growing but have to major interest ATT. this would allow more brands into the game and allow companies to grow much like KTM has over the past 30 yrs.

i would leave the factory bike status as is. why? cuz i like bike porn. plus it allows the factorys to test out future equipment to filter down to the public when it can later be implemented at a resonable cost. Examples: Yamahas SSS susp was factory only equipment in the later 90's and early 00's and most new suspension components i guarantee were in development at the pro level long before we saw showa's separate fork. Honda steering shock dampener was kept secret for awhile.
i wouldnt allow big bore kitted bikes and for one simple reason. if you could sneak in a big bore now with the current rules how much easier would it be to sneak in something even bigger. currently the next item is dungeys air shock. many other items are developed and tested on factory bikes before they sell it thats how changes come about. the Development of the KX250F is a prime example. the first year it had small radiators and the water impeller was part of the oil filter. plus the chassis was funky and the transmission was garbage. what happened? Pro Circuit developed a new transmission which was avail to public for a measly $3000k. they used bigger radiators, made their own oil filter/ water pump cover and shock linkage. guess what happened next? most of this was seen on the 2005 bike aside from the shock linkage arm because an aluminum frame was in the works.

and as far as the KXF bikes go. they are that good stock. ive ridden all brands and the ones i had, had a good enough chassis and the best motor( last ones i rode were all the 2006/07 models). most of what i found out still rings true with current review suzuki turns better but the motor is eh, yamaha's only shining point is the susp its engine is old, not bad but old like an old datsun 240z vs a nissan 370z. the honda has a slower engine, handles good but needs more. the ktms motor and chassis are confused. the motor has power but only on the top floor, and the chassis will be a katana once you sharpen it. the kxf motor is powerful, has top line susp components and its efi is further along.

just my $2 worth

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